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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 02-29-2020, 11:57 AM Thread Starter
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Hi Everyone, this morning, while lining a reel with a new Cortland Precision Spey line, I noticed something - no plastic whatsoever in the packaging. The line was in a tin surrounded by a cardboard hanger and the spool the line was on looks to be a biodegradable composite. So, here we have a company, Cortland, that makes its living by making lots of plastics (nylon fishing line is a kind of plastic, and of course, so is fly line), yet consciously tries to limit the plastic waste in the products it sells. Kudos Cortand. Kudos.

Waste plastic is a menace. We've all seen the pictures: the bird strangled by a 6-pack holder, the dead sea turtle that had gobs of trash, mostly plastic, in its guts, and perhaps most menacing, the occurrence of microplastics in organisms as small as fleas - organisms our beloved fish eat - and almost undoubtedly microplastics are in the fish we eat. Cortland's good deed got me to thinking about the occasional pile of trash I collect while fishing and I decided that this year I will focus on collecting and disposing of plastics while out fishing. Please join me.
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This is fantastic news !!
Great to see a long time manufacturer within our sport take these steps ... kudos to Cortland !!
Hopefully other manufacturers will catch the wave now


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My wife and I had an otherwise wonderful fishing trip to the southern YucatŠn over the holidays. I say otherwise because of the mountains of trash that had drifted onto many of the beaches there, a huge percentage was plastic of course. While some have placed blame on the local municipalities or local citizens even; the reality is that this trash is coming from lots of other locations and goes where the winds and currents take it. We all own it. Plastic is an amazingly useful thing, but the careless way itís used these days is really shameful where there are much better options in so many instances. The one that drives me nuts is when a tiny product is put into a bubble pack the size of a shoe box! I understand the purposes of such packaging, but in this day and age itís completely out of line with the true costs of such packaging (which neither the manufacturers, nor the vendors pay... that bill goes to us and our children).

Big Kudos to Cortland for taking such a responsible step up! Itís been a while since Iíve tried any of their lines, but responsible packaging is a pretty big selling point to me. Iím more than just hoping that other manufacturers will follow suit; Iím writing them today to ask them to!
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My wife and I had an otherwise wonderful fishing trip to the southern YucatŠn over the holidays. I say otherwise because of the mountains of trash that had drifted onto many of the beaches there, a huge percentage was plastic of course. While some have placed blame on the local municipalities or local citizens even; the reality is that this trash is coming from lots of other locations and goes where the winds and currents take it. We all own it. Plastic is an amazingly useful thing, but the careless way itís used these days is really shameful where there are much better options in so many instances. The one that drives me nuts is when a tiny product is put into a bubble pack the size of a shoe box! I understand the purposes of such packaging, but in this day and age itís completely out of line with the true costs of such packaging (which neither the manufacturers, nor the vendors pay... that bill goes to us and our children).
Yes, we all own it !!

I don't normally do this .... but I'm going to rant ...

I'll be totally honest here ... I'm quite disappointed. This is one of the first positive threads that has been posted here about our environment and directly related to our sport and there is little to no traffic through it. This will be the third response. This is what leads me to wonder, do we really care about our environment, or do we just like to bitch about it ??!! This is a victory, a very positive achievement, a step in the right direction and we are not celebrating it. We are not telling others to follow in the same footsteps as Cortland. Well, at least Jason is and BRAVO to him !! This is where you, the consumer, really makes a difference. Let your mouth tell the manufacturers what you want and your dollars back you up. You want a quality product available in environmentally responsible packaging. I'm in the market for a new trout line and I know Cortland makes an excellent DT, I'm buying a Cortland one this weekend and I'll get a spool of backing as a bonus as a thank you ... and I'll let them know it too through the "Contact Page" on the Cortland website.

I guess there was no one to point a finger at here ...

Thank you steelhead23 for posting this, well done and my hat is off to you

Jason, thank-you for your comments, well said !! And my hat is off to you too


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So, I didnít yet send my letters off. I decided Iím going to fine tune it a bit more before sending, and I am also writing up a heartfelt ďthank youĒ to Cortland as well. I thought Iíd share my work in progress though, rough as it is, in the hopes that perhaps a few more folks might find a nugget or two that inspires them to forward some of their own comments. Marketing departments, as well as R&D departments put a lot of thought into what they think consumers want, and I know for a fact that a lot of packaging decisions are made based on what they feel consumers prefer. So, for your consideration:


To whom it may concern.

Greetings! Iím writing to you because I enjoy your fly lines a lot, and look forward to improvements that you will no doubt continue to make. Iíd like you to consider such innovation from a different perspective for a moment though. I imagine plenty of thought goes into taper profiles, performance improvements, marketing strategies, etc. In the end of course, youíre trying to make it all more fun!

On the large topic of fun, Iíd suggest that thereís far bigger factors that affect our enjoyment of this wonderful sport than the performance of our equipment. I think youíd be hard pressed, for example, to sell many fly lines if the health of our fisheries declined to the point where there were few viable legal options available to fish. Letís hope that never ever becomes a reality! One major issue facing the health as well as the aesthetics of our lakes, streams, and oceans, is the growing accumulation of TRASH! Imagine the fun of exploring miles of pristine white sand beaches with aqua marine waters teeming with fish. Now imagine those beaches literally covered in giant heaps of trash! Talk about a huge downer!

This was exactly the experience of a very recent fishing trip my wife and I took. As you can probably imagine, a huge percentage of those trash was plastics of some form or another. While it certainly wasnít the first time we had been disheartened to see an otherwise idyllic setting spoiled by trash, this one was more dramatic and disturbing than any previous ones. For one thing, this wasnít the result of some selfish, lazy, ignorant individuals leaving personal trash; no, this was evidence of trash that we all own. It hit hard that both of us have unwillingly been adding to piles like these somewhere else in the world.

This is where you can make a difference! Instead of focusing solely on changes to future fly lines that may travel a few feet further, cut through wind a tad bit more, or hook a few more fish; perhaps you could also focus a bit more on how you can help us all minimize our contributions to the growing accumulation of plastics in our waters. I do realize that this may seem like a very small ďdrop in the bucketĒ so to speak; it is however, a comparatively easy contribution to address. I noticed, and appreciated, that Cortland has recently changed their packaging substantially to do just that. Iíd like to ask, or rather, implore you to do the same... or more! I do hope that in the next season you will consider the big picture, long view here: our enjoyment of fly fishing is intrinsically linked to our opportunities to fish in beautiful places, with clean waters. There are impacts being made in everything we do, but there are also plenty of areas where we can eliminate or reduce those impacts too. I hope you will show creativity and take the lead in the next wave of product innovation.

I applaud, and support, companies who demonstrate an understanding of this. I tend to purchase far more enthusiastically from companies who take as much responsibility for long term sustainability, and I even find that I get just a little bit more joy and satisfaction from these products. I will avoid excessive packaging, for instance, whenever another option is available, and I have often opted against purchasing certain products entirely due to excessive packaging.

Thank you for your time and your consideration,

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Hi Everyone, this morning, while lining a reel with a new Cortland Precision Spey line, I noticed something - no plastic whatsoever in the packaging. The line was in a tin surrounded by a cardboard hanger and the spool the line was on looks to be a biodegradable composite. So, here we have a company, Cortland, that makes its living by making lots of plastics (nylon fishing line is a kind of plastic, and of course, so is fly line), yet consciously tries to limit the plastic waste in the products it sells. Kudos Cortand. Kudos.

Waste plastic is a menace. We've all seen the pictures: the bird strangled by a 6-pack holder, the dead sea turtle that had gobs of trash, mostly plastic, in its guts, and perhaps most menacing, the occurrence of microplastics in organisms as small as fleas - organisms our beloved fish eat - and almost undoubtedly microplastics are in the fish we eat. Cortland's good deed got me to thinking about the occasional pile of trash I collect while fishing and I decided that this year I will focus on collecting and disposing of plastics while out fishing. Please join me.
I've been grappling the issue with plastics for a long time now. It's not just in far away places either. Im reminded of the countless styrofoam corkies that wash-up in the back sloughs in streams throughout the NW. Not to mention the foam, mylar tinsels, huge wads of monofilament that have been dredged out of rivers. And plenty of flylines too. Ive found and recovered three full flylines from rivers myself. Two from the Salmon River (NY) alone.

Crab and crayfish do not differentiate between man-made plastics and organic matter - they just do their thing as cleaners. Plastics do not degrade. They break down into smaller and smaller "micro plastics." Using mylar tinsels and soft foams in flies only worsens the problem.

We all own it for sure. As an angler - What are some things that you are doing about it? Anything at all?
No more "sinthetics" in my flies for one. Ive switched to silk sowing thread also, and I won't break-off if there's any chance of getting everything back. There is still the issue of using plastic flylines though- as I see it. This is probably a big reason so many are so quiet about the whole thing...

Silk lines anyone???
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Here's a shot I took after my son and I got out of the boat to collect more crap along the Rogue about 10 years ago. My boat always has garbage bags in it, and at least one if half full at the end of a float.

I don't post much along these lines, but trust me, we collect our share of flotsam.
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That's fantastic !! Keeping up on river trash is important. Always carry out more than you bring in is our moto

At home, we recycle like crazy and very thankful our city/town is very dedicated to the recycling program too !!
I can't remember the last time we brought home a plastic bag. We have an abundance of cloth bags that go to the supermarket and farmers markets we frequent. The farmers we buy from do not have much packaging. Meat comes wrapped in paper, veggies go from basket to our cloth bags. We get our milk (white,chocolate and strawberry), cream and butter from a local diary. The glass bottles are brought back for recycling at the farm and butter is scooped out into your own tub.
No plastic water bottles for us since I can't remember when. Each of the kids has at least 2-3 water bottles (Stainless Steel) they fill up before heading out the door ... with tap water
We use to compost ourselves, but now our city does it and the residents get free compost and top soil every year from our dump, pretty cool

Always looking for good ideas, so if anyone has any, I'll be watching this thread


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Mike, I think your earlier post was a bit harsh. Maybe some truth there but still a bit harsh. I think at least most of us here do what we can to improve things in our locales. I know myself if there something there that shouldn't be I bring it back out when I leave. We are fortunate here as the municipality has places garbage receptacles at most of the popular access points. Unfortunately a lot of people misuse these too by cramming full of there household garbage or cleaning their cars out. This should be done at home.

Like you we recycle as much as we can, as long as it's accepted. I have been seeing several stories/videos(mostly from the U.S.) about cities collecting, sorting then dumping the recycled material into a landfill. The tax payers/citizens of these cities are unaware of this for the most part. This is being blamed on China no longer accepting this material for reuse.

I think we all need to do more. Just refuse to buy over packaged product. Use cloth bags at grocery stores. Tell the manufactures and politicians what you want......... The list goes on.

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A video I saw a while back. Too big to upload so I hope this link works.

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I agree with several, recycle has run its course and our focus has to be on reduce. I hate most clamshell packages and I like that my butcher uses paper (versus the foam plastic wrap at the big store).

I will add that I think Cortland's Bonefish and LQ Crystal Tarpon lines are fantastic.

Maybe it was an oddity, but my very old mint 333 DT is fantastic on my bamboo rods, and prefer this over their updates to 333 and 444. So with this fail, I have been replacing my old 333s with RIO Gold.

I actually use Phoenix silk on my trout rods, but the 8wt for the salt was a disappointment.

I have not tried their TH (spey) lines.
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Sent a short note to Cortland on their website thanking them
Received a thank you back today
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The recycling business is in the trash in this country.

Governments in the developing world are rejecting it. Our little town just got an unwelcome and unexpected bill for $20K to have our "recycling" hauled away because the market has collapsed. We have banned plastic take out bags but the ubiquitous plastic fruit and veggie bags are still piling up. No one wants to sort their plastic by the numbers and at least our town does not think it is worth it to even enforce compliance with their acceptance of a specific set of numbered plastic types. This is such a complex issue for industry, government and individuals.

I fish a tidal environment and carry (ironically) a plastic trash bag to pick up plastic and other debris on every fishing expedition. The volume and variety of stuff I pick up is amazing but plastic water bottles are by far the most common item I find, probably because they float so well. Maybe it is just Massachusetts but nip bottles are probably the second most abundant plastic trash both on the beach and along the roadside. I see so many of our runners and walkers picking up trash and I applaud them but the problem is burying us. Many of our dog walkers are pigs who carry little plastic bags, fill them with dog **** then throw them in the dunes. I don't get it.

Like Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".
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I am wintering in Florida, and grocery shop at Publix Super Markets while here. They have a sign at their entrances encouraging shoppers to bring reusable bags. We do, and I see many shoppers doing so. I would love to see all stores follow this example. Every litter bit counts.
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About 35 years ago, I lived in a small town north of Toronto, where there were a few concerned citizens that took the environment seriously.
Together we convinced the town to amalgamate with two other towns and create a tri-town area. Part of the deal would be a recycling program and garbage system that had residence bringing garbage to a central depot, where compost, recycling and general garbage could be brought to. The residence gave up the garbage pick up to help fund the recycling program, since it was expensive to start up. We also agreed to a tax increase of $75 per quarter for this service. Most of the community felt great about the decision, others not so much because of the removal of service and increase in taxes, but in the end it was the right decision. Today, those three towns are doing very well and again have garbage pick-up in each along with a very sustainable recycling program.
All it took was a few citizens to spread the word, do presentations and approach the town councils. Yes, there was some financial impact in the end, however once the community was informed and educated, it was an easy decision for a $300 a year commitment.

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I stand by my previous post. Sometimes the truth hurts. In the past on this forum, 99% of the "environmental threads" have had negative impact here. The other moderators will agree. If you look back in the history, you can see most are locked and have had banter back and forth with the outcome of a few members leaving on their own, or getting banned. That is negative impact my friends. There is more to "environmental topics" than re-posting an article or posting a link to an artical written by others. This has been my issue with "environmental" threads. Those type of threads are considered to be borderline "pot-stirring" threads with no value added or remarks, a post and burn if you will. That is my issue, not pointing a finger at this community and saying "what have you done for the environment lately?" And I apologize if that is the way it was received. I believe that taking care of your environment is priority and we should always consider it, since we all have a part to play in it.


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