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post #1 of 58 (permalink) Old 07-28-2019, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
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River etiquette, where do you draw the line?

I have spent a large amount of time on the river. I have seen many things happen in many ways. In general our local river is large enough to leave fishing anglers alone when I come upon them. Some of our runs are long enough that 2-3 people can fish comfortably. In fact I have often invited anglers to follow me through runs like that.

But I had an experience that got me thinking. I was dropping into the head riffle leading to a popular run. I was in my raft and obviously committed to pulling in to the head of the run. Along comes a jet sled with some Spey guys. They pass me and immediately pull in below me. I thought, “Hmm, that’s strange. Oh, well [email protected]#$ it, I am committed so I am fishing.” I am not sure if the jet sled guys get it that us raft guys have to row to get anywhere. After rowing 10 minutes to get to this spot I really wasn’t prepared to give it up.

The dudes tried to move up to the head but I was already anchored and exiting the boat. They dropped one angler and two more moved down river to fish the other side.

Where do you draw the line? The reality is I am getting old and really dgaf any more. I will happily fish through any water I am committed to and likely pick their pocket anyway.

Just an open note to stimulate thought with my fellow anglers as we come into this season.

Thoughts?
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I always go by the rule that walk-in anglers trump floaters and floaters trump powered. All assuming that you get to the run at the same time. If you were already committed and it was clear to them, they were in the wrong.

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I'm surprised rules aren't posted like they are everywhere else... what's one more 'don't do that' sign in the land of signs?

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I always go by the rule that walk-in anglers trump floaters and floaters trump powered. All assuming that you get to the run at the same time. If you were already committed and it was clear to them, they were in the wrong.
Thatís kind of how I felt and why I fished the run. I am out to enjoy and relax so events like this one make me shake my head. I feel sorry for the guy who feels he has to jump in there before the next guy.
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I'm surprised rules aren't posted like they are everywhere else... what's one more 'don't do that' sign in the land of signs?

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Shawn,

Where are you coming up with signs? I am asking a simple question, where do you draw the line?

Obviously, I draw the line when someone tries to muscle in. Shoot, if they had said hello I would have said jump in here. Beyond that I just believe in treating my fellow river users with respect. No sign needed for that.
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Thatís kind of how I felt and why I fished the run. I am out to enjoy and relax so events like this one make me shake my head. I feel sorry for the guy who feels he has to jump in there before the next guy.
Apparently not everyone shares your principles or priorities. I share yours completely, and I do not understand how anyone can find much joy in furthering the rat race existence. Itís bad enough on our avenues and highways, why bring that attitude to the river? What sucks is that confronting someone for being a jerk pretty much just adds to the negativity... a definite catch 22.
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Take the high road! Karma will get 'em!

Life's too short to put up with that crap, and what would getting into an eyeball-gathering get you? A fish? BFD!

Any more, I never fish weekends. I figure those poor sods who still have to work for a living can have Sat/Sun, and I'll take the rest. Nine times out of ten, the weekdays are relatively civil with fewer vying for space.

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I fish a lot of club,association and day ticket water here in UK and as pretty much every where else we have protocols, the first one there gets the pool 1st,start at the head, no cutting in front of other anglers, move at least 3 good steps downstream between casts and leave at least 20yds between anglers.
I've fished in what you guys call combat fishing, without a system it all go's tits up, when you have a system then the non believers stick out like a sore thumb and as like as not get spoken to before it gets to stepping into the water.
In less well populated area's its often worth a quiet word before you start, then no one spoils it for the others. But 1st one there gets the water 1st, subsequent arrivals have to wait their turn or move on to other water.
And for the less well mannered, well thats down to the individual as to how you'd deal with it, being a forthright person I do say out loud what needs to be said, some folk don't just think, some think the world turns for their benefit only, either way a little friendly education helps the world turn.If they still don't listen?, well thats up to you and you're conscience but personally I do something about it!
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To my mind, the guide is more at fault than the clients. He saw you were there & dropped his dudes off anyway, most likely starting at the top of the run, closest to you. Bad form. Having a sled he had the option of working his next favorite spot & returning after you had fished through. One would think though, that any self respecting client would have refused to move in on you like that.

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What does "drawing the line" entail? Yelling? Flipping them off? Flashing a piece out on the lanes?

Did you have any beers, booze to offer? Perhaps a J?

If not, then all you can really hope for is that they push a fish up to you. Assume that they are all fishing hot pink, too.
ďDrawing the lineĒ in my case entails the point at which I move on even if I want to fish a piece of water. I draw the line when I drop into a run and a bank angler is just gearing up. I would rather find another piece, or politely pull aside and wait, than jump in to get first shot at a fish.

Drawing a line is an internal decision that each individual makes that says that angler was here before me and I am fine with letting them have the water.

Drawing the line has nothing to do with confrontation, drugs or alcohol.

Ymmv...
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To my mind, the guide is more at fault than the clients. He saw you were there & dropped his dudes off anyway, most likely starting at the top of the run, closest to you. Bad form. Having a sled he had the option of working his next favorite spot & returning after you had fished through. One would think though, that any self respecting client would have refused to move in on you like that.

Care to describe the sled?
It was a local that I know for a fact should have known better. Who it was does not matter as I just wanted to hear our members thoughts on where they draw the line for themselves.

Apparently there are some here who are either insulted by my query or it strikes too close to home.
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I don't believe there is any etiquette anymore out there...too many people fishing for too few of fish....

I remember back when we had discussions on how to share a run on the Thompson...Huge runs and where should you go and not low hole another angler... That's gone now..

Bulkley is a joke, guides have pulled into a run I've already rowed into and posted their little rich boys down it below me and blocked me out....they will sit in their boats and the minute you move take the whole run away from you...Pull out and at yap at them and they always respond that "i'm here to make a living and your just here to fish" ruined it with the weekend b.s. and now they deserve what they get IMHO..Don't fish up there anymore...and that was second to the T. as being my favorite place in the world. Sadly miss it...

Skagit down here, you'll have jets fish their way down right on top of you and fish through you water then go back up and do it again...some of these runs are a decent hike into but they don't care....Argue, yell and cast into them..they just pull out a bit further...now i just try and remember their boats so if i see it on a trailer...well...things happen you know..

Clearwater....too many times to count when boats will pull right in on you and start casting at your feet...i've threatened and even begged some of these twats to pull in so i could punch them..young entitled guys who don't give a rats a** ...(a few guys will remember the blue boat with those 2 guys from 2-3 years ago) I've lost fish to boats casting and hooking my line while i'm trying to land a fish..there is pretty much zero etiquette out there..even had a well known bud from this site get into it with another spey fisherman with a dog on a well pounded run...So had too laugh when the guy asked if he even knew how to cast? this guy goes to SOR .... sit back and eat your popcorn folks and watch the show..

And still i go back.....I sadly don't see much river etiquette out there anymore...older guys and a few, very few young ones once in awhile will come up and ask if they can fish behind you? That used to be the golden rule.. Now it's pretty much, First one in and "you don't own this river" attitude...When a guide will put roe on a flyfishermans hook on the Babine so their wealthy clients can get a fish....really what is our hope for sharing a run????
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My apologies to the original poster for letting the off the wall drug/alcohol post stand. It has now been deleted and the poster told to desist this type of pot stirring.

From my perspective, thank you for starting this thread as it has been a good one.
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On another note, I was fishing the bulkley last fall from shore. Went to a large run and fished with a gentleman for a few days, we shared the run.
He told me he had been there for several days, and his buddy's were coming for a few weeks and that they would be fishing the same run.
They filled the parking area with vehicles on the weekend to try to make it look like the run was busy and deter other anglers from fishing it, but not being guided they were not able to fish the weekend.but left the decoy vehicles there anyway.
I went early Monday morning , they were talking at the head of the pool, I could hear them, but they were not in the water yet.I stepped in a few hundred yards downstream and started fishing. 15 minutes later a guy walks into the river and starts yelling at me, telling me it is their run, and I should leave immediately .
I told him it was Canada, where we practice rotational fishing, it was a large run, and he was more than welcome to fish behind me or at the tail out of the pool below me. And that I had heard them several hundred yards upstream and this is why I chose to fish where I did, to leave them at the head.
He then explained how he had punched out many people in the PNW, for invading HIS run. He then ordered me to come to shore to settle the issue.
I laughed at him, he then started to take his jacket off and came to settle it in the river, as he approached me I told him he best reconsider his threat as if he started a fight he would be charged, thrown in jail, and wouldn't be able to return to Canada. He rethought things and left.
I didn't like the fact that they were trying to lay claim to the run. Fish it and move on.
Needless to say the RCMP were brought in, his liscence number sent to the border, and the fisherman is no longer permitted in canada.
I don't think it is proper etiquette to seal off a run to a group. Lots of water, let's share.
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I have spent a large amount of time on the river. I have seen many things happen in many ways. In general our local river is large enough to leave fishing anglers alone when I come upon them. Some of our runs are long enough that 2-3 people can fish comfortably. In fact I have often invited anglers to follow me through runs like that.

But I had an experience that got me thinking. I was dropping into the head riffle leading to a popular run. I was in my raft and obviously committed to pulling in to the head of the run. Along comes a jet sled with some Spey guys. They pass me and immediately pull in below me. I thought, “Hmm, that’s strange. Oh, well [email protected]#$ it, I am committed so I am fishing.” I am not sure if the jet sled guys get it that us raft guys have to row to get anywhere. After rowing 10 minutes to get to this spot I really wasn’t prepared to give it up.

The dudes tried to move up to the head but I was already anchored and exiting the boat. They dropped one angler and two more moved down river to fish the other side.

Where do you draw the line? The reality is I am getting old and really dgaf any more. I will happily fish through any water I am committed to and likely pick their pocket anyway.

Just an open note to stimulate thought with my fellow anglers as we come into this season.

Thoughts?
Those guys are jerks. My line would be crossed.

I always ask to fish behind someone. I never fish in front of someone unless invited to do so. I'm happy to sit on the bank and watch for as long as necessary if I am dead-set on fishing a run.

I haven't had as many problems as some on the CW but we have lost fish when they got run over.

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