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post #16 of 39 (permalink) Old 06-12-2019, 12:28 PM
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I think with higher end gear the market is always narrower. Not everyone can lay out big dollars on stuff. They may eventually splurge on 1 or 2 pieces but that's it. I understand that. Especially people with young families or kids in university. Money can be tight regardless of the economy in general.

My kids are long gone and I'm rapidly approaching retirement so I need to watch spending but I do buy what I want, just not always right away. My biggest problem purchasing on the classifieds is bringing stuff up from the folks in the U.S. The dollar exchange and shipping can be killer. I do really appreciate the excellent deals I have gotten from the folks south of the border but I also like buying from home to make things easier.

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Man, took the thoughts right out of my head. Sales seem slow, have no idea why.

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I think with higher end gear the market is always narrower. Not everyone can lay out big dollars on stuff. They may eventually splurge on 1 or 2 pieces but that's it. I understand that. Especially people with young families or kids in university. Money can be tight regardless of the economy in general.

My kids are long gone and I'm rapidly approaching retirement so I need to watch spending but I do buy what I want, just not always right away. My biggest problem purchasing on the classifieds is bringing stuff up from the folks in the U.S. The dollar exchange and shipping can be killer. I do really appreciate the excellent deals I have gotten from the folks south of the border but I also like buying from home to make things easier.

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exactly, no Canadian in his - her right mind would buy anything from the states at the moment with the exchange rates. And shipping costs.
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On the Pacific Coast, salmon numbers are down from SE Alaska all the way to northern California, apparently due to poor marine survival. As license and tag sales seem to be correlated with expected catch rates, perhaps gear purchases are also correlated with expected catch rates?

I cannot speak to the US Pacific Northwest but in British Columbia time and area closures are being used with increasing frequency to manage user group conflicts.

Another factor is not today's but rather tomorrow's economy.

The US yield curve has inverted and has actually stayed inverted for a while. That forecasts an economic recession in circa 9 to 12 months time. Discretionary expenditures such as more fancy equipment may suffer as a result.



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All good points and theories. It feels like many issues are coming together. I think Cowboy Tom is onto the crux of the issue: "Many/most of us have now tried lot's of gear and pretty much know what we like".

I think one of the main values of the classifieds (at least for me) has been the ability to try a bunch of different rods and reels over the years and dial in on what I like. Once you are set with what you like you kind of slow down the search. I also think that rods have become shorter and lighter, built with down-locking reel seat so the heavier vintage reels don't always make sense with modern rods. Also, the fact that you can buy a new Hardy Perfect or Bougle from shops in UK at deep, deep discounts - often less than what they are selling used here - makes it tough to move items quickly without a big price hit. As always though, the unique, one of a kind stuff will move quickly. Slow or not, scanning the classifieds certainly brings me a lot of joy and entertainment and knowledge of what's out there.
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The market is terrible right now. So....if anyone needs to unload high end stuff on the cheap, gimme a call....
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There was a time on SpeyPages when virtually everything posted for sale was scooped up quickly, if of good quality and value. These days it seems very little sells at all--I mean things like Hardy Perfects, Saracione reels, Burkheimer rods etc. offered at what appear to be great prices with no interest. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just seeing things differently? The economy is in good shape, people are still fishing, but? Or has a few years of acquisition just left everyone with more tackle than they can use?

Just curious if others have observed this trend.
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I'll be your huckleberry , what ya got that you want to part with from your collection ,
How about that special white handle Hardy with the 1906 check , collecting dust on your shelf 😉
Now Rich, you know everything has its price.
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I was buying quite a bit here on the pages, that is when my dollar was near par with the American dollar. Since our dollar tanked it's just doesn't make sense anymore. I got my rods and reels when the getting was good.
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I was buying quite a bit here on the pages, that is when my dollar was near par with the American dollar. Since our dollar tanked it's just doesn't make sense anymore. I got my rods and reels when the getting was good.
It seems the Canadian dollar is right back where it was in the late 80s early 90s.
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The value of the Canadian dollar never deterred me from purchasing a piece of kit ... heck, we're always lower except for about few months back in 2010.
Before that it was 1962 ... I'm sure there was a lot of gear purchased between now and then by somebody

If I'm determined to purchase gear, I'll save for it until I have enough to get it.
Here's "The Big Picture", the difference would be a few bucks every $100 ... given the trends of the Canadian dollar this past decade.

Currently, the Canadian dollar is at $0.74 US. The highest it has been in a while is $0.76 US back in Oct 2018 ... you would have to go back to 2015 to see $0.85 US.

My point is the Canadian dollar has been pretty steady these past few years and Canadians should be use to it's value ... even though it sucks, but such is life.


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I think the "Spey Craze" has settled. Those that have been bitten and love it are here to stay and are pretty particular on what gear they want next. Those that are only interested in the numbers game, have gone back to gear and "guts".

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I have purchased a few lines through the Classifieds. One or two marked unused were nicked with even Aquaseal type blobs in places. Not worth the postage to complain and return. I have also experienced, more than once, being on the trigger pretty fast sending PM to seller and also posting my interest before anyone else has, or so I thought, to be informed, sorry the item sold to someone else.

Then there is the irksome entitelment that some sellers have of clawing back the few dollars of Paypal fees, which is against Paypal policy. That does not inspire confidence I am afraid. I have the impression that the seller who is trying to claw back those Paypal fees is posting in the Classifieds as it is 'free' and that he/she can save yet further on those eBay fees, without maybe considering that their item would be exposed to a wider audience and sell faster.

The tackle then hangs about unsold with all of that 'bumping' making me at least, question either the value of what is on offer or who is selling the item. At least with eBay, where I have not purchased on for some years, there is some sort of feedback system to review.

Also interesting to note others joining in from the sidelines at times 'great deal, someone should snap this up' which puts me somewhat on my guard.

There are certainly some fine items for sale in the Classifieds at times, but I admit for the reasons given, I do not usually peruse them.

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Sad to say, but its a world wide market issue now. The markets severely depressed, there's not the fish any where these days, UK wise, Europe wise and even your side of the pond.As the world population rises, governments have more to think about than providing good stocks of fish for the well off middle classes to catch!.And who in their right mind is going to splash cash on high end items that wont get the use!.
Also the young anglers just aren't there any more- they wont leave their games consol's/ PC's so the market is ever more shrinking, the tackle companies are still pumping it all out, we've China to contend with now and there's a huge amount of second hand gear out there no one wants.
If there's stocks of fish there the matter would be largely resolved. Here in Blighty its late June and I've been out 3 times so far for nowt- just two offers from hard running fish.
Sadly time for some hard thinking and realisation to dawn I feel.
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If I had the disposable income, I'd buy half the reels I see posted here! For me, it's simply a matter of paying the mortgage first.

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