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An average break even price of oil recovered from Bitumen is in $ 75 USA rage. The current fields were built when oil was in 90-110 range, so money were sunk.

So many very large expansion project have been canceled during the last few years and this is the main reason why pipeline East was canceled.

The production from oil sands will be much lower in 5 years.

A monster US Permian Shell in Texas has break even price of $ 30, the production there is soaring, Exxon bough last year for many $ billions land and easily recoverable deposit is more then US needs years the next 35 years. The Permian shell encompass 1/2 of TX and is the largest producer in US.

Once Saudis floats later this year IPO of it national oil corporation, they will resume overproduction again and try to fight for market share....

Saudi Alberta dream is pretty much over. The oil sands are subsidized and who will clean the mess in AB ?

‘Big Five’ in Alberta’s oilpatch suspected of sitting on a $2 trillion liability

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Can they put wine in the pipeline and send it back to AB? How about loading in some 'nookies and spooling the folks on the Bow?

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It will take significant global warming to make BC's Okanogan Valley a premier wine producer. Even with all the good wine here in WA, I can get equally good CA wine shipped in for less $$. But I digress.
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But I digress.

Yes, you certainly did. And it is spelled "Okanagan".

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Sort of off topic, but...I live in Napa and obviously love wine. However, it is a shame to see how the grape agriculture (and marijuana agriculture) has really devastated the watersheds. It just pulls out so much water from the systems. "Growth" at all costs.
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Sort of off topic, but...I live in Napa and obviously love wine. However, it is a shame to see how the grape agriculture (and marijuana agriculture) has really devastated the watersheds. It just pulls out so much water from the systems. "Growth" at all costs.
You are right about all of this. Still wine production is not going to destroy a river as quickly as a pipeline will.
My second bottle is empty and I have to get me some more. Is it better? Is it worth the $14? I do not know, but I drink it with pleasure knowing Alberta is not having it its way.
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Yes, you certainly did. And it is spelled "Okanagan".
They do spell it "Okanogan" South of the border. C'mon guys, lighten up.

What people do and what Governments do are two different things. Nobody is stupid enough to boycott BC wine in Alberta and couple of zealots do not count. They drink more beer in AB anyway...

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Really nice discussion. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Thanks for sharing. I’m sorry to hear our neighbors to the north are experiencing this conflict. I find Alberta’s politics surprising and will inevitably bolster the resolve of BC as is usually the case with that strategy


On a side note I really enjoyed the comment section in the article almost as good as YouTube
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Nobody is stupid enough to boycott BC wine in Alberta and couple of zealots do not count.
If Alberta government bans the imports, people can no longer buy this wine in the store. This is the problem.

So bottom line is fight diabolical pipelines by drinking Diabolica wine.
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Living in B.C., I find Alberta wine has a bit of an oily flavor
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Living in B.C., I find Alberta wine has a bit of an oily flavor
We better develop a taste for it. Soon our tap water will taste the same.
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The verbal war continues. We have a minister of environment who believes that the increase in tanker traffic is actually good for our environment

Catherine McKenna says Trans Mountain pipeline expansion will make B.C. coast safer | CBC News

The same (fill up with a word of your choice) also believed that salmon spawn in the ocean:

Nathan Cullen for Skeena--Bulkley Valley « Canada's NDP

How do we deal with this type of inept , arrogant politicians?

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As usual one side thinks they have all the answers with out finding the money trail. The problem here is not inter provincial disputes. It is that we as citizens don't have a monitory interest in our own economy. We don't invest in our own products. Should we be selling processed product instead of selling raw oil, logs, minerals etc yes. But we don't have the right to make these decisions as we have sold our interests to the Chinese in this case. When we only own a minority interest financially in what we have to sell we lose control and decisions like the pipe line are made with no concern given to the environment we live in. The larger investor makes these decisions for us end of story. We can protest scream and shout all we want and this is going to be done we can not stop it. Our voices are divided without financial control period.
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Folks, just need to add one reminder to this thread. I know these topics are near and dear to many, but please do Mike and I (and the forum community) a favor. ANY language reference that's a fill in the blank, expletive with an asterisk, etc...please just leave that word out of the post. Mike and I don't have time to chase that stuff down and everyone can get their point across without it. We encourage open conversation on here for sure, but we need to just keep that out of the conversation. A member reports it and then Mike and I are chasing it down...busy work that is plainly spelled out in the forum rules. This isn't a "ding" to any individual...just a reminder to please just leave out the expletives and references to such.

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