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post #91 of 108 (permalink) Old 01-19-2014, 12:09 AM
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You guys are making me very jealous with all this sled talk, but if I was fishing a creek this small, and this happened, it would really frost my nuggets!

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I have to agree with you there buddy, what I see there is what I call dangerous. I wouldn't run something like that with my boat, safety is one thing and then there are ecological matters if that is fish water.

Stuff happens here, don't get me wrong. I've had to throttle up and skid sandbars during low water events on big glaciated rivers. Popping over logs that surface when the water drops in fall is another one of those things I don't relish, but staging a shot like that one ain't gonna happen.

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Dutchie,

My Friend Ric has that same boat, freaking sweet... if I lived out your way, would likely end up selling a kidney to have one like that!

I had a metal power drifter like you did before Dutchie, I too got rid of mine.

I definitely agree going away from a exposed aluminum bottom is the way to go, loud, cold and sticky...

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Funny you guys talk about boats burning through your water, while everyone wants the river to themselves including me, it really is amazing how often you hit a fish right after a boat stirred up your water as it passed through. Fortunately where I live, wading anglers and boat anglers aren't really competing for the same water, river has little to no access in most areas for wading anglers so you don't have to feel bad about floating through someones water.

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Regarding smaller boats, I also would suggest going with a 60/40 versus say a 40/30 HP jet, while for smaller boats the 40/30 has plenty of go, you run it so much harder you use a LOT more gas.


Actually 60/40 is 60/42 and 40/30 is really 40/28
The head power better reflects the difference between these two motors.
According to Outboardjets who started jet revolution and makes jet units for near all outboard manufacturers, both motor in subjects and most others have ca. 30% power reduction on jet drive.

The major manufacturers like Yamaha, simply round up numbers in 5 HP increments.
Moreover, the difference in outboard weight ( with jet drive) in near non existing: 260 vs. 230 lb.
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Regarding smaller boats, I also would suggest going with a 60/40 versus say a 40/30 HP jet, while for smaller boats the 40/30 has plenty of go, you run it so much harder you use a LOT more gas.


Actually 60/40 is 60/42 and 40/30 is really 40/28
The head power better reflects the difference between these two motors.
According to Outboardjets who started jet revolution and makes jet units for near all outboard manufacturers, both motor in subjects and most others have ca. 30% power reduction on jet drive.

The major manufacturers like Yamaha, simply round up numbers in 5 HP increments.
Moreover, the difference in outboard weight ( with jet drive) in near non existing: 260 vs. 230 lb.
You really like numbers and math don't you! LOL

That 30% decrease in HP is a rough estimate, there is no way you could accurately describe just how much HP is being created in real World usage when you rely on something like flowing water as propulsion as a jet outboard does. It's going to vary depending on conditions...

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That 30% decrease in HP is a rough estimate, there is no way you could accurately describe just how much HP is being created in real World usage when you rely on something like flowing water as propulsion as a jet outboard does. It's going to vary depending on conditions...

This is why I said:
The head power better reflects the difference between these two motors.

That difference ( only ) will be the same in similar conditions like boat weight, bottom width ( very critical for jet) current sped, altitude etc.

Of course an advertised power is at 5500 rpm......

BTW, I am not criticizing you, rather trying to be more specific and reemphasizing your recommendations to go with the larger of two motors.

I have actually met folks who where weighting agains Yamaha so called 40 jet ( 60 HP head ) as not being very efficient precisely b/c perceived a larger drop in power on jet drive , buying so called 30 jet and regarding it later.
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This is the only other picture I have of my sled as I'm not home for the winter , down south ,
This is from last fall on my very first trip out with it for steelhead in BC ,



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I get what your saying.

One thing I do miss about my old F40 was that with the gas assist tilt mechanism, you could unlock the motor so it would just get kicked up and out of the water if you hit anything.

You hit the shoe with my F60, it is likely going to yank the tiller out of your hands and maybe hurt the shoe itself.

So no more log jumping to reach more secluded river stretches with the new motor, but otherwise it is much better having more power and power trim/tilt...

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What is the smallest boat any of You Guys have seen set up as a jet sled? I am just entering the market, and want to go small due to storage issues, and I fish alone 99% of the time.

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What is the smallest boat any of You Guys have seen set up as a jet sled? I am just entering the market, and want to go small due to storage issues, and I fish alone 99% of the time.
16 ft is the smallest I've seen for a jet sled that is a fishing machine , I've seen smaller for like river racing

A nice little boat would be a 16 power drifter with a 60/40 merc , or have em beef up the back end to hold a 90/70 , it would go crazy fast and be allot of fun

Hyde can make you a power drifter in 16 ft , or fish rite , and I'm pretty sure you could call around and others would build you what you want ,

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I have a flatbottom 16' lowe with a tunnel and a a 90 horse yamaha 2 stroke. Goes like stink and leaks like crazy.

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I really like the way that transom jack is set up.
I have a Lowe too but it's a welded roughneck, I'm not a fan of riveted boats on rivers, because they tend to loosen up and leak. Does Scott O still have that leaky jon or did he upgrade?

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14ft x 25hp

For years I had a 14ft jon boat with a 25hp Johnson on it. It was perfect for one guy and his gear - even for multi day trips. The nice thing was it was light enough to drag off of rock piles, etc. I was living in south east Ak, fishing up in tribs that others couldn't get to due to tidal estuaries. Staying too late was a certain recipe for needing to pull the motor, gas cans and everything else out of the boat and haul them over to the main channel. Then came the fun part - dragging the skiff. Fortunately I was in my twenties so no big deal.
Once in awhile I had a fishing partner. That extra weight was just enough to not allow us to get on step. I had to start plowing along in deeper water, then veer toward the shallow flats where the compressed water under the boat allowed us to get on plane. Made for some interesting situations!
During hunting season I would have to pick my weather but traveled between the islands with no problems.
I guess you could have that same motor and skiff combo in a 12ft model but that might be pushing it. Might want to swap ends on you in a turn.
While that boat fit my needs at the time I clearly remember being envious of guys that had 16ft sleds with a Yammy 40!
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I have a flatbottom 16' lowe with a tunnel and a a 90 horse yamaha 2 stroke. Goes like stink and leaks like crazy.

Keep your expectations low and you are never disappointed.

Only a gillnetter catches more fish than this boat.

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Bumping an old thread while its pouring rain and fishing is on hold for a couple days. plus I like looking at boats as much as the next guy so figured I would post a pick from the other day on the m Mckenzie.

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I also like looking at boats. Looked at a lot before I came up with a design that worked for me. This is my third boat build and probably my last. Took 10 months at 30 hrs a week to complete. Still want to add a windshield. I only fish this in winter on Michigan rivers.



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