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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-05-2014, 09:37 AM Thread Starter
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New to 2H need rod advice ?

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I am a rookie and getting into 2H for NY Steelhead (Salmon & Catt.) I have a budget and found the LL Bean Streamlight Ultra 13' 7/8 ($195) I was just about to buy but than found the Sage VXP 7133-4 is discontinued and can get it for $460 ? The VXP 8 and 6 wt's. are even less but I am guessing not a good fit or where I am going ? The VXP is at the top of my budget or I would get a T&T 1307. My guide is going to teach me to swing flies in Oct.

I also saw the T&T 1308 on sierra for $630 an was hoping the dealflyer would apply but don't look like it ......
As you may guess T&T is my preferred rod.

Thanks for the Help

Is the VXP worth the extra bucks ? I guess that is what it boils down to ?
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If you have til October, be patient and check the classified here. Your first rod will not be your last. And you get what you pay for. I found that it is hard to set up a two hand rod with reel and line for less than five hundred dollars. Check with poppy at the red shed he has a lot of experienced gear. Check Poppys spey forum classifieds. Good luck!
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If you have til October, be patient and check the classified here. Your first rod will not be your last. And you get what you pay for. I found that it is hard to set up a two hand rod with reel and line for less than five hundred dollars. Check with poppy at the red shed he has a lot of experienced gear. Check Poppys spey forum classifieds. Good luck!
I will take a look , I am ok with a used rod or demo too. I have a Teton LA 9-11 and a Teton 10 LA I was hoping might balance. Not my last ? you mean I am going to add to the 8 SH (4 T&T) I already have ? This is bad
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Oh well! If you have 8singles you must realize the fishing disease. Or the I want that syndrome . Lol
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Oh well! If you have 8singles you must realize the fishing disease. Or the I want that syndrome . Lol
True, it is a casting - fly fish thing , could be worse things !
I can see this spey casting thing being a lot of fun too. Looking forward to my casting class .
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Entry level rods

Don't overlook some of the "entry level" offerings. Temple Fork Deer Creek series and Echo Dec Hogan (Decho) series as well as the TR rods are highly thought of.

Since you are a T&T fan, you might keep an eye out for the T&T 1307-3. Being a 3 piece rod it is not going to get through airports without being checked, so there is a good chance people will start replacing them.

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Thanks Mr. Jones , that is a good point , I generally drive to my destination so a 3 piece is a non issue. Hopefully there will be some people upgrade to the 4 pcs. DNA. The DC and Echo are being considered , but I saw the VXP which was a higher cost on the discontinued list so I was wondering if is that much better. I don't really have 2 Hand skills to test cast and know the difference.
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Sage VXP

I am unfamiliar with the VXP actions. The Decho rods however, have a smooth deep flexing action which is more forgiving of timing errors. A lot of people are under the misguided impression that deep flexing actions relate to slow actions, slow line speeds & wide open loops. Not so. A rod that flexes deep into the butt section, even down into the corks, is certainly capable of generating tight loops & very good line speed.

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Don't overlook some of the "entry level" offerings. Temple Fork Deer Creek series and Echo Dec Hogan (Decho) series as well as the TR rods are highly thought of.
I would echo (pardon the pun) JD's comment that some of the less expensive rods are fantastic, regardless of the price point. Some of the TFO, Echo and Beulah rods are designed by the best in the business and great sticks. Don't count them out.

Personally, I'm partial to Beulah's Classic Series, which are currently being discontinued.
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call steve godshall

I only have one rod and very little experience but he has a few offerings that are quite affordable, Idk what his rates are for building rods but I bought an anglers roost 13078 kit from him and wrapped it myself and with one of his lines it was under 250. He carrys his own series of blanks also I believe. If nothing else he's full of great info and could probably help steer you in the right direction.
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I agree that if you have the time you can find some truly awesome deals here on the classifieds. It's great too because since most of the guys really fish they often have line recommendations and things sorted out to help someone new to the game quicken the learning curve. I have the 7134 VXP and absolutely love it. But I think there are some awesome rods on the classifieds that you can get at your price point.
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Thanks for the help here, part of the fun of getting into a new rod & casting style is finding the right rod and you sure learn a lot on the way. There seem to be a lot of good options , I am looking thru the classifieds here & checked out Poppys site. My casting instructors made a good point , I can agree with from my experience with SH rods - " buy a rod that you can grow with ". I do build rods (hobby only) , an idea I have tossed around. Is Steve Godshalls # on this site ? I should probably talk to him. I thought he made lines ?
I read here a custom line is not much more than a off the shelf line.


The LL Bean Streamlight Ultra 8/9 2H was designed by Tim Rajeff for bean , the blank is Mfg. in Japan , @ $195 (sans 10% summer deal) this one keeps me looking , a "good starter rod " at that price , I don't like doing the upgrade thing but at that price ....The other factor is I am out East and not sure how much this rod is going to apply for GL Steelhead in NY , some of the water is probably better suited for a SH 1007 with spey cast in confined areas.

When considering the Echo rods, which is the better in the series for a 13' or so in the 7/8 wt. (scandi 450/500 range) ? I would think a used Echo would be easy to find ?

edited : I was able to find a review of the bean rod here by Topher Browne , he says it is much like the Loop Yellow Line (retail 360 back in the day). Sounds like it is on the level with Echo I guess .....Price may reflect no reseller , Bean selling direct. Maybe someone can tell me about the Loop yellow since it is like that ?

The VXP 7 wt. can be found for $440 discontinued , about the same range as the Echo
We start to go up and up ...
The T&T 1308-4 is $640 at Sierra

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From my experience you will never ever go wrong with talking to Bob Meiser about your thoughts on a rod. Also at times he offers a pretty good deal on what he calls a field rod. In other words he has let a person try out the rod and then offers a discount on the usual retail price if the person returns the rod. You will never go wrong dealing with Bob or Steve about his lines. Always remember that you usually only get what you pay for. Pay now or change rods a few times and pay later.
Thanks Harley & Everyone,

I decided to get the Bean rod , I need a rod to develop my 2H skills and $175 is not a big hit, I am sure I can get some of it back later if I want too. I know if I like this style of fishing I will want a better rod but by than I will have some skills to try out the rods and make a solid decision. This way I can learn what I am doing and keep an eye on the classifieds. Poppy had some nice prices on some very high end rods & I looked some of the customs too. I had to let a Z axis 8129 go on ebay for 400 b/c I just was not sure if it was right. I will let you guys know what the Instructors think of the Bean rods abilities. Poppy had a helios 13' 7 wt. but I read it was not rookie friendly. This way I will be able to ask better questions when I talk to Bob or Steve.
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