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Do any of you fish streamers for trout? If so what sink tip line do you like? Iíve got a 7 & 8 sage payload that Iím looking to put a sink tip line on.
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I swing streamers on a trout spey (sometimes strip back as it's swinging) and use floating heads with sink tips like 10' t-8 or polyleaders like 10' @ 4.9 eps sink rate, depending on which head I'm using and what tip/fly it can handle casting for. You can also use any other sink tip you like.

Got this one yesterday - it was fun. Sorry the pic kinda sucks - no net and fishing alone.
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I swing streamers during the first hour of sunrise and an hour to sunset into the night. A Light Spruce or River Ghost tied on a heavy wire hook, so no need for a sink tip. Just a floating DT and a 12ft mono leader
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Do any of you fish streamers for trout? If so what sink tip line do you like? Iíve got a 7 & 8 sage payload that Iím looking to put a sink tip line on.
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Hey Mike.....I streamer fish for trout (rivers) a lot and have been through a number of different lines.....Floating lines with a separate sink tip attachment, F/I lines, and full sinking lines...

As far as casting goes, Rio Outbound Short F/I (floating/intermediate) is about as good of a casting line as I have found....I used this line for years, particularly on 7-9wt rods (Sage Method, Scott Meridian, ect...) However, I had a real issue in recent years with this line cracking....and I moved away from it....Rio replaced the lines, but I lost confidence in them...

Right now, I mostly fish full sinking lines ...my favorite full sink line for 4wt-8wt is Orvis Pro Depth Charge.....the lines take a little getting used to casting, but once you get used to them, they are easier to cast heavy streamers and they get the flies down....a 7/8wt Payload should be able to sling them with no issue...probably 200 or 250 grains....I throw a 150 grain full sink line on my Sage Method 4wt......it's really kind of stupid....but it's also very fun...

Anyway, hope that helps...
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Yes, I use streamers especially during early spring or high water.
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Also, on my SH, I sometimes swing flies on a lake line, the Rio Aqualux 2 full intermediate (1.5-2 ips) and it works really well, too. I just use 3-4 feet of tippet on the end of it, usually, but sometimes use a short leader with tippet and sometimes even put a sink tip n the end. This line i almost identical to the Camolux, believe.
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I like small streamers for trout...

My favourite set up for regular flow is the SA Spey Lite Integrated Scandi with an intermediate poly leader and 6lb maxima to 1.5 rod length. I swing a small tube (3-4 cm) only weighed with the disc. It's a great set up for touch and go casts and makes for a very enjoyable day.

Just curious if anyone has tried tying mono leaders for trout spey.....? seems the 60-20-20 leader formula could work...
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I'm pretty new to the trout spey game (or any spey game, for that matter) but I'm a streamer junkie and pretty much all I do with my 4-weight Echo TR2 is swing (and often strip) small and medium-sized streamers for trout. I started off with a Spey package that included the rod and 300-grain 15' OPST Commando Head and then matched that with various sinking and one floating tip. That worked pretty well but I found that while the system was great for swinging the flies (always streamers, mostly in the size 8 - size 1 range), it was not as smooth as I wanted if I was also stripping the flies in. I then picked up a 250-grain Commando Smooth and that definitely works better on for stripping, and seems to work just as well (given my novice casting skills) for casting.

In terms of the heads, I have the following - I'm learning that changing the heads is key to getting the streamers in front of the fish, and probably have been guilty of fishing heads that were too light too much of the time.
  • 96-gr Riffle OPST Commando tip (12 ft)
  • 96-gr Run OPST Commando Tip (12 ft)
  • Rio 15' Floating tip
  • A Rio MOW 2.5/7.5 T-8 tip

There's one stretch of my local river where I go with the floating tip or the lightest of the sink tips but most of the time I use the heavier two to get the streamers swimming where I think they're most vulnerable.
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I like small streamers for trout...

My favorite set up for regular flow is the SA Spey Lite Integrated Scandi with an intermediate poly leader and 6lb maxima to 1.5 rod length. I swing a small tube (3-4 cm) only weighed with the disc. It's a great set up for touch and go casts and makes for a very enjoyable day.

Just curious if anyone has tried tying mono leaders for trout spey.....? seems the 60-20-20 leader formula could work...
Love those SA integrated spey lites. I use my 3wt, hydrogen 11'3" with the 270 skagit lite and MOW light tips (often a 5/5) with 30" of fluoro. I like small conehead flies up to 20 grains on that rod when the rivers are a bit high.
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Yeah I do it out here all summer. We don't get many summer run fish so i pick up a single and full sinking line to strip fish articulated's. Articulated streamer god Kelly galloup is why i switched to full sinks for the strip. He explains the advantage here.

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Thanks, that was what I was looking for.


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Answering the other half of the Q

I think the line reflects water, tactics and your preference.

I would note Kelly G has done much to promote streamer fishing for trout, especially with BIG flies, but he has expressed views that are NOT DH, so his comments reflect his SH and large fly preference, and strip in the fly.

So I have 4+ rods that I will use for Trout and Streamers where I would be using "spey" techniques. Starting from my short rod .

1. Don Anderson Bamboo 8' 5wt with an old Cortland 333 Double Taper (showing its age, but it is better than the new 333 or 444). Vertsatile and great for pocket water or when I am expecting a hatch. A goto streamer in a deep pocket would be a conehead muddler (pulled out some surprises this way!) or spiders.



I could also add in a size 8 scuplzilla, If conditions change, I might put on a Klinkhamer and a small nypmh, or a dry fly.


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This rod Bamboo is a great roll caster, and thus well suited to SH Spey setups, and not just overhead casting. I am storing my lines on a Hardy Princess. I am not a believer on superlight reels on trout rods, not against them, but I keep most of the trout setup on the Princess, so it is easy to change things.

2. The forgotten older Scott 10' 7wt ARC 4 piece is a great SH spey rod. I have landed Atlantic Salmon, Steelhead and Trout on it. It is great after a rain and you are fishing from a bank. My wife (and fishing partner) often picks this as her rod, after the rain to work the bank.

I have an old and discontinue Airflo Multi-Piece line with Sink Tips. I think the closest available now is the RIO Scandi Short VersiTip. It is on a Loop 2W (now Danielsson) reel.

My backup is a James Green 10' 7 wt Fiberglass with a 360 grain (a little heavy) Airflo Switch Streamer, and I have used OPST Micro Command Tips.

3. ACR 11'7wt - smaller wet flies, spiders, smaller. I believe I have a 240 grain RIO Scandi Short on a Hardy St Aiden Reel. I either have a hand-tied leader out of Maxima or a 8' furled leader with mud to help get the leader down. I rely on the weight of the fly.


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I am not expecting to go deep, I am working runs, pocket water, et cetera.

4. Meiser 12'6' wt 4pc with a SGS 324 Grain at 31' with RIO Versileader. Flies may be weighted. I am not expecting to strip a lot, and having the extra sink on the fly at the opposing bend of the river may be important. This line is on an older Nautilus CCF 10 (8 would be better), and sample flies would be scupzilla, bunny tube or a large mouse.


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and I do keep some conehead muddlers or even a thick squirrel nymph to downsize.
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Many words and images, but what I am suggesting there are many options, and select in accordance to your water and how you like to fish. The detailed description is to get an idea of the tool setup I use depending on the conditions and what I want to achieve. There is no need to add as many rods, et cetera, but I enjoying trying new water, new methods, et cetera.

If I am walking in, or hiking up a stream for the day, for trout, I am likely to carry two rods, almost always the Meiser 1264 and often the Anderson Bamboo 5wt to do a major change up. As my backpack can carry more, I am likely to add more.

I also will use two other tools, I really like the recently discontinued Scott Meridan and will use this to throw long and strip in flies, such as on an estuary. I have some 8wt RIO Coastal and Airflo 40+ sinking heads (long heads). I also use this rod for Bass, Pike and Bonefish.

And when I am travelling, I will have a Meiser 13' 5wt 5 piece. I also have some Guideline and 3M UST 3D heads, ranging up to 6 sink (a beast to get up and setup for a cast), but it is great if I want to go deep.

There is no reason to not keep it simple, but just illustrating there are different tools and reasons for them.

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I just watched that Kelly Galloup video. He must be mistaken about "grains per foot," right? He means total grains, I assume? Can't have a 200 grain per foot at 30 feet on a SH-er (or DH for that matter)....
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I just watched that Kelly Galloup video. He must be mistaken about "grains per foot," right? He means total grains, I assume? Can't have a 200 grain per foot at 30 feet on a SH-er (or DH for that matter)....
I got this too! If you goto Airflo USA, you will see they list his fly line from 200 to 300 grains, but these lines I would throw Overhead.

https://airflousa.com/project/streamer-max-long-3/
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