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She’s a big river

Even when she’s half the size right now
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Beautiful picture. I'm in northern Idaho and that's on my bucket list of places to go when I can dedicate more time to fishing. I do get to fish the Clearwater (not this year) and like the big water.
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"She's a big river" ….


That's an understatement … impressive
I need to fish there … on my bucket list and getting closer to the top


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It always amazes me that those monster Western rivers, when at full or even full flood stage move massive boulders and scour out new channels, still allow the fish and their food sources to survive.

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Haven’t been to that part of the Columbia drainage, but live in Central Washington and have been to the headwaters where one can almost jump across the river. Those rocks were placed by the Missoula floods. Not moving much at recent flows. The Ice Age floods are an interesting read and there are books written on the subject. J Harland Bretz was the geologist that figured it out before satellite images.

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I grew up east of Lewiston along the Clearwater river. When I was a kid (using my kid brain) I would wonder how these orange and white rocks (Quartz) wound up here and there, not near the river. All the other rocks were brown and gray (Basalt). I came across Bretz book some years back and as I read it a lot of little things started to make sense how river channels were cut out in open areas South of Spokane and my orange and white rocks up on the hillside.
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Curious.

Before the Columbia River dams and reservoirs were constructed in British Columbia, did the Columbia River near Castlegar ever run clear in the summer or only in late autumn and winter?

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Curious.

Before the Columbia River dams and reservoirs were constructed in British Columbia, did the Columbia River near Castlegar ever run clear in the summer or only in late autumn and winter?
Not as clear as it does now. The Arrow lakes acted as as the filter but the Kootenay had lots of silt for most of the summer Also the Didymo algae filters a lot of particulate that stuff showed up about 40 years ago.

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Thanks Grant.

Kootenay Lake was insufficient to settle out the glacial till? Interesting. Did the glacial till that the Kootenay River would have once upon a time dumped into Kootenay Lake enhance productivity in Kootenay Lake? The effluent from the Sullivan mine operations at Kimberley was once upon a time a source of fertilizer for Kootenay Lake until Cominco spent about ~C$10-12 M in the late-70s cleaning it up.

So the Columbia River below the Lower Arrow Lake would then likely run clean or cleanish for most of the summer. I have trouble imagining the trout fishery being as rich as it is now. How do the old timers describe the trout fishing pre-dams?

It would be great to see a map of the old Arrow Lakes. I managed to see the unflooded lower Kootenay River valley in 1968 but never managed to visited the unflooded Arrow Lakes/Columbia River valley.

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Thanks Grant.

Kootenay Lake was insufficient to settle out the glacial till? Interesting. Did the glacial till that the Kootenay River would have once upon a time dumped into Kootenay Lake enhance productivity in Kootenay Lake? The effluent from the Sullivan mine operations at Kimberley was once upon a time a source of fertilizer for Kootenay Lake until Cominco spent about ~C$10-12 M in the late-70s cleaning it up.

So the Columbia River below the Lower Arrow Lake would then likely run clean or cleanish for most of the summer. I have trouble imagining the trout fishery being as rich as it is now. How do the old timers describe the trout fishing pre-dams?

It would be great to see a map of the old Arrow Lakes. I managed to see the unflooded lower Kootenay River valley in 1968 but never managed to visited the unflooded Arrow Lakes/Columbia River valley.
More fish but less size My uncle would take the train and drift from the Brilliant Falls down to Trail, he and his brother would have enough fish to get the family through the winter none over 3lbs. He told me stories of getting 20lb trout out of Trail creek pretty sure they were steelhead. There were a lot of Dollies in the system before the Dams and lots of coarse fish. They have been replaced with Walleye.
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Great picture of a beautiful river. I confess that when I see that picture it is very hard not to dwell on what has been lost. The Columbia Dams changed both countries in profound ways, many of them very good (irrigation, flood control, hydro power during the war, and many jobs), but the un-dammed river was a treasure of the same scale as the Amazon or the Nile, and we don't have many things like that on the planet. It is still an amazing river up there, though, and I am glad we can still enjoy the modern version. Still.....
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With the Columbia River Treaty being negotiated right now the Environmental impacts are at the top of the list for all those concerned. I can only hope that the quest for the all mighty dollar does not hider that position. The best comment I have heard is from a First Nations Rep. "if we can send a land rover to Mars we can get a few fish over a concrete wall"

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With the Columbia River Treaty being negotiated right now the Environmental impacts are at the top of the list for all those concerned. I can only hope that the quest for the all mighty dollar does not hider that position. The best comment I have heard is from a First Nations Rep. "if we can send a land rover to Mars we can get a few fish over a concrete wall"

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Getting them up over the wall is the easy part....getting the juveniles back to the ocean is a whole other story unfortunately
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Getting them up over the wall is the easy part....getting the juveniles back to the ocean is a whole other story unfortunately
For sure, but I think it can be done just takes some major coordination between all the agency's that manage the system.
Maybe not in my lifetime but the Next Gen can do it.

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The fact that any of the juveniles make it back is sort of a miracle. The U.S. piece of the Columbia is ecologically a very, very long lake, which is sort of not the ideal...... Where is George Hayduke when we need him? Kidding. Kind of.....
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