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post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-11-2019, 04:23 PM
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Would be great if the will is there to bring back some Columbia runs back to Canada. From what Ive been told likely never get fish over Mica dam but even getting fish into Arrow ,Slocan and Salmo drainages would be great . Likely not in my fishing time either but sure would be nice to see it.The early spring run of Chinook-Kings were supposed to be the largest sized fish on pacific coast and think they travelled furthest too, all the way to headwaters of the river.From what I was told they were in 50-70 pounds range and have seen picture of fellow catching them in down town Salmo in early part of 1900,s.Hope it happens again.
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The ONA (Okanagan Nation Alliance) are working on putting salmon over the Grand Coulee into the UC. I heard they put some chinook over this past summer with tags to see where they went. They are spearheading the project similar to the re-introduction of sockeye into the Okanagan system.

The Salmo and Slocan would be tough as there's several more dams to tackle after the GC. The Arrow system only has the Hugh Keenleyside dam which has a navigation lock, so that system and it's size would be the best bang for the buck for an initial re-introduction habitat, essentially no fish ladder would be needed to access a massive system. Save the the Pend'orielle and Kootenay, most of the feeder streams (and spawning habitat) into the UC from the border are maybe not the highest quality either (small, modifications, etc.), so the arrow system would probably be the cornerstone with some really wild feeder rivers/streams.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the future.

There are fertilizing programs on both Kootenay and Arrow Lakes.

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I know the Colville Confederated Tribes released tagged, adult Chinook over both Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee dams this past year.

I also know that the ONA have been instrumental in getting sockeye into Okanagan Lake, both juveniles and adults as part of their reintroduction program. It is great to see anadromous fish being returned to habitat that they previously occupied after being displaced for so long.
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Would be great if the will is there to bring back some Columbia runs back to Canada. From what Ive been told likely never get fish over Mica dam but even getting fish into Arrow ,Slocan and Salmo drainages would be great . Likely not in my fishing time either but sure would be nice to see it.The early spring run of Chinook-Kings were supposed to be the largest sized fish on pacific coast and think they travelled furthest too, all the way to headwaters of the river.From what I was told they were in 50-70 pounds range and have seen picture of fellow catching them in down town Salmo in early part of 1900,s.Hope it happens again.
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From what I have read the June Hogs where upper Columbia river fish, Would be nice to see fish get that big again. Even on the Elwha river where the dams have been removed and once had ginormous kings, the chance are slim to none of getting that back. Possible yes, likely, wont happen. Who is going to release a 30# king to grow up to be a 50#. Who is going to release a 50# king so it can become an 80# king. Who is going to release a 80# king so it can become a 100# +. And that's just sportsmen, add in all the comercial fisheries, the trawler fleet that dumps over 90,000 pounds of kings as by catch.

Until all open ocean fisheries are ended, we stop harvesting the food base for the salmon, we stop harvesting the food base for the salmons food base we.. Salmon are doomed.

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Those are big fish in pic and yes was told the largest went all the way up to the very top of Columbia. I went to a talk a fellow from Salmo area gave a few years ago and he(sorry have forgotten mans name)said that the American native nations wanted to see fish re-established so glad they are following through and maybe with the treaty being renewed will see some money go into it to from governments. Fellow said that he was told there were provisions being included into the dam on Pond Oreille just on Canadian side for fish passage so if that is true would make it possible to see fish in that river and the Salmo again. Not sure if it happened though. The Kootenay there is one old dam at Castlegar just above Columbia which won,t have any passage way but if will and money are there could be done .That would put ocean fish to Slocan river. Would be nice to see and I would love chance to fish for Steelhead in Columbia , the Rainbows in river think their steelhead already so a few extra pounds would make for even stronger fighting fish. I think historically there were Sockeye, Coho and Steelhead in the Slocan system. Just having the dead salmon putting nutrients into systems would improve the trout fishing. I know things or bleak now with ocean survival and rivers have taken a beating to but Nature has a way of making it work if given a chance and I think our system of resource extraction and interfering with ecosystems will either change pretty soon or we will really start to pay for damage done. Its really just society having to want to make the changes and put some value on having a nice world to live in and things can change, its in our best interest to do it,just need to start and people will come on board.I live in hope(and hope i,m not in denial) . Daryl

Just a small addition, on the fertilizing on Kootenay lake the rainbows have crashed on the lake last few years ad kokanee are way down too so the hope of the fertilizing, while it seemed to help in beginning years has proven to not be much help now. Bull trout got skinny and unhealthy about 7 years ago then they are doing better and rainbows are now smaller, last derby at Woodbury winning fish was 5 pounds where years ago would have been over 15 and some years over 20 pounds. Maybe just a natural cycle ,seems to be more fish but way smaller in size.If the Kokanee don,t come back though will be a shame as that is food that allows the others to grow large.

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Kootenay Lake has been one big management experiment, lots of playing around without any knowledge of what the impacts might be. The mysis shrimp introduction was a disaster. The bull trout numbers are high and have become the main predator surpressing kokanee recovery. Recent regs are now much more liberal on keeping and fishing bull trout, including more openings on the Duncan. They';re constantly oversteering and over correcting, but numbers are heading in the right direction the last couple of years, so recovery is hopeful.

The Pend'Oreille is a dog's breakfast above the boundary dam, all sorts of invasive species. The reservoir temps get grossly warm, even in early spring, topping 20C in the summer, no good for cold water species, but the pike bass and perch are thriving. Would still prefer the Arrow lakes as the main goal for habitat.

With the invention of fish cannons (adapted form the fruit industry), it just takes money to get past any dam!

DLD, you're right, it's all about the will to do it. IMO, the Columbia Basin Trust on the BC side has enough coin to bankroll any projects on the Canadian side.

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