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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 08-30-2019, 09:52 PM Thread Starter
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Need your help; am itching to buy a new rod for trout

Hi all, I desperately need your help. As you might have read here, I've very much enjoyed trying trout spey this past season and have access to a few rivers with 1 to 3 lbs trout in them. I was intending to order over the winter months a Meiser Highlander CX 11' 4 or 5 wt switch rod (I've truly fallen in love with Bob's rods; I already have 2). So that was the plan… But I've just recently come across the chance to get my hands on a new TFO DEER creek 12'6'' 4/5 wt or 5/6 wt. I've only read good things about these rods which have quite a cult following. They were even developped in collaboration with Bob. And it would be 1/3 the price of a Meiser…

So I'm torn. The Switch is shorter and was what I was originally setting my sights on. But I'm pretty sure I could adapt myself to a 12'6''. Not sure if a 4/5 or 5/6 would be better (I might get the chance to fish the Bow again some time; big trout). But also, I absolutely love the Meisers and had my heart set on another to add to the quiver. Obviously can't afford both. And of course, 1/3 the price...


So I'm torn… Does anybody out there feel my pain? LOL...

Any insight or advice? I know I will love the feel of the Meiser. Not sure about the feel of the Deer creek. Love the price of the Deer creek… Sigh...

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I have one of the TFO switch rods. These were modeled on the OTHER style of rod Bob sells that has a cult following, the MKS (now called MKX with the new graphite). Actually some people are members in good standing of both the Highlander AND MKS cults.

The MKS and the TFO Deer Creek rods are pretty unique - they have stiffer tips and bend further down. They would be considered “more medium actioned” than the highlanders you are used too, but even those are very “soulful”. I can see two reasons (leaving aside price for the moment) why you should get the TFO instead of another highlander. First because you think it will fit a particular fishing purpose for you, and second because you want to see what the fuss is about with the MKS style rods.

Full disclosure I have a several of each type. I guess I could be described as an enthusiastic MKS cultist, but I love my Highlanders and could be considered as sitting on the steps of the Highlander cult funhouse as well. Both types of rod can do everything well, but if we had to simply the difference down to a stereotype for easy consumption the MKS rods are especially known for being able to handle heavy sink tips well. But many people also just love the unique action of the MKS. When you get dialed in these rods feel almost effortless to cast. I would say the Highlanders are more typical of other rods you will find in the trout spey category at the moment, just better than most. In such cases my usual semi-joke answer is you are just going to have to buy both. But other than the non-information information above, I’ve got nothing definitive to offer. I do think you would be able to easily re-sell the Deer Creek on here if you don’t like it, but based on your prior experience with the Highlanders trying the Deer Creek would be the more adventurous choice. I don’t think you will regret it. I don’t think even Bob would regret it because if you fall in love with it you will probably end up buying an MKX or three eventually! But if you want exactly the same thing as you already know, just in a trout spey wt, then I’d probably recommend that you get another Highlander.

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Upstate New York and you want a 5 or 6 weight for trout?

Strikes me as serious overkill.

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bigger/deeper water - Bigger flies - Bigger "W" - BIGGER TROUT - all valid reasons to step-up the line class.

As for the original question, I recall many preferred the 4/5 Deer Creek over the 5/6.. just a nicer actioned blank (according to testimony)

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So I'm torn. The Switch is shorter and was what I was originally setting my sights on. But I'm pretty sure I could adapt myself to a 12'6''. Not sure if a 4/5 or 5/6 would be better
Get 4/5 and cut shorter from the tip. DC are strong and when they have medium action cutting the tip four to six inches they become fuller action without line rating increase too much

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I was intending to order over the winter months a Meiser Highlander CX 11' 4 or 5 wt switch rod (I've truly fallen in love with Bob's rods; I already have 2). So that was the plan… But I've just recently come across the chance to get my hands on a new TFO DEER creek 12'6'' 4/5 wt or 5/6 wt. I've only read good things about these rods which have quite a cult following. They were even developped in collaboration with Bob. And it would be 1/3 the price of a Meiser…
sounds like you're looking for a push off the cliff, so here goes: I've found out that when I have in my head what I really want, and then go for something instead because of the price, I eventually regret that I didn't pony up in the first place...and I'll end up dumping the "bargain" and finding a way to "afford" my initial wish. But I'm weak, and I've never seen an armored car in a funeral procession. YMMV
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Limited time and words available- I love and use my Meiser 12'6" 5wt S for catching trout in upper NY. I prefer the length for reach and mending, and 5wt to throw some weight. My rods that are lined up for trout , in this area ..

1. Swing for TROUT, the Meiser 1264S-4 311 grain
2. Scott ARC 10' 7wt with multi tip for high water fishing
3. 7'10" 5wt Banboo
4. 8' 4wt Tom Morgan Fiberglass

My wife's kit

1. Scott STS 5wt
2. SAGE ESN

She will use the Scott ARC
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As I learn to slow down, I would consider a MKS equivalent
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Thanks for all your feedback! The DC is looking better by the second.

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Hey Simon.
I probably fish the same water as you.
I would prefer a 2 or 3 weight two hander for swinging for trout, but I am happy with my 4/5 DeerCreek for high water in spring and use a 10' 3 weight single hander if I want to single hand "spey" cast later in the season. I use a 5 or 6weight double taper line on the single hander. I like the versatility of being able to swing, nymph or dry fly fish while performing over head or "spey" style casts.
But for the most part, summer and fall is when I use my single hand trout rods.
The deer creek is also excellent for landlocks.
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Well I jumped on the DC. Deal was too good to pass up (yes, I'm a sucker). Took the 4/5. Any suggestions on lining this rod? My local fly shop has a Rio trout spey 5wt (350 grains for a 23 foot head) in stock which will get me on the water quickly. At 350 grains, its at the upper end of the rods window according to TFO. Think this rod can take it?

@Hitcher, thanks for the info. I've never been able to hook into any of the NY state Landlocks. Still trying. I've been using my 11' 7wt for that.

FWIW, I won't only be swinging for trout with this rod. I intend to nymph and dry fly as well (hopper dropper style).

Thanks again all!

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Hey Simon,

If I'd have known you were looking for an 11' 5wt, I would have given you a very friendly deal on an H2 511 I just moved, for old time's sake... BUT I can still help you out with two of your other conundrums:

I can give you a brand-new Snowbee XS Switch 350gr, 29' head integrated running line for your new Deer Creek, and I can give you that during a ride-along down to the Saranac or Boquet sometime mid to late September or early October to catch the landlocked run's sweet spot.
You could also try out my Beulah Aerohead 5/6 on that rod just for fun.
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Love the TFO deer Creek 4/5 310 steelie scandi .. golden! Wish I never got rid of mine! If you don’t get it let me know I will get it. Anderson custom rods make some of the finest Trout Speys, I have 3 ACR Trouters and will never part with these!!
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