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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 04-19-2019, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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Question trout spey niche in your neck of the woods

I'm curious how often you see others using spey casts, or 'spey' gear on the bigger trout tailwaters (or any waters for that matter). Obviously there is quite a few of us doing it with regularity. However I have yet to see anyone caught in the act so to speak. In fly shops around the region I've only run into one guy (that was not an employee) that was talking trout spey. Turned out he was visiting the lower 48 from Bow River country.

In my small circle of fly fishing buddies I'm the only one who has any notion of it. What do you all see, is it growing in popularity?

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Seems to be almost non-existent in this area. A couple of guides on the Big Truckee are switch rod advocates and switch rods are becoming more common at Pyramid lake for overhead casting. Our local club members think I'm some spey nut case so I avoid the subject and fish 2 handers on my own. Seems lots of locals are gonzo for Euro nymphing but trout spey has flown totally under their radar.
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Iím not sure about trout Spey in my neck of the woods, Iím sure thereís a few but for me Iím going to trout Spey for small mouth bass on the Willamette River. 👍

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Same in Central Pa.
Euro nymphing: check
Indi: check
Classic dry fly: double check.
Spey, SH or TH: just me and one other guy that lives 2 hours east of me... That I know of
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I have run into the odd person with a 2 hander but it's rare. I have seen a few others in passing as well. I know there are several regulars but we just don't cross paths regularly. Most of the time I'm the only one out there. I do get a lot of looks and questions and I'm always happy to tell them all I know about spey. It's doesn't take long.

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I see all types of nymphing and lots of single hand dry fly but very rarely do I see two handed trout fishermen.
That is fine by me. Leaves me fresh spots and fresh fish to target.

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I would say that it is gaining in popularity on the Bow....the predominant method is still nymphing but more and more spey casters are around.

I think part of the reason that trout spey has not become very popular so far is the learning curve (and expense) with starting out speyfishing. Unless you already fish for steelhead with a two handed rod, it can be intimidating to start.
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In the central Missouri area it seems I may be the only one. Go about three and a half hours south of me and there are maybe a handful. I took a trout spey class this last December at lake Taneycomo put on by Phil Lilley at Liller’s Landing and I think there were six of us in the class. Great class by the way! I've been told of two in the Bennett springs area two hours south of me that are trying it for trout / smallmouth. I’m sure there are many more trying the SH with commando heads in the state but I haven't seen them. I wanted to learn “Trout Spey” for a big fish tool for about four areas in Missouri / Arkansas for trout and use it for smallmouth and largemouth around my local area. I think the trend will grow slowly as other fly fishing anglers will find it a useful tool.

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I live in southern Rhode Island and its pretty lonely here for the two handed rod fisherman - regardless of the target species. But, most of our trout waters are small (7 ft 3 wt type) compared to western standards. Was out yesterday on our largest river to swing my Redington 3 Hydrogen in some larger runs, and I did get some curious stares, even from fellow flyrodders! Now, a 2.5 hour drive puts me on the Housatonic River in western CT - much bigger water - or the Farmington River. The Upcountry Fly Shop on the Farmington speak two-handed language just fine and have good spey/switch related equipment resources - they're good guys and know the drill. Both of these rivers see a few trout spey guys, but from my observations trout spey is still relatively unpracticed. I'm a dryfly nut, and have little interest in single hand rod swinging or streamer fishing for trout. But, put a trout spey rod in the equation and I'm all over it! After nearly 50 years SH fly fishing, I got absolutely hooked on two hand rods in 2014. Now, it's an obsession. I manage to ease my serious trout spey fix a bit when I spend three weeks or so in the fall in MT, ID, WA and OR, while also chasing steelhead.
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I bought my very first two-hander from a guy at a garage sale in town, a 15' 10/11. I was quite unschooled in the maths of spey casting gear, and used to take this cannon to two of my trout spots to self-learn. Very first fish to hand on a spey rod was a 4-inch whitefish.

I got strange looks, oh yes indeed I did.

Nowadays, I'll have an ultralight 5wt switch or spey, and when folks ask (because in rural Quebec many haven't even seen these), a simple explanation of the benefits to casting effort, range and mending control, usually leaves folks quite fascinated. I still haven't ventured into the sub-5wt "trout speys" yet, because when my 5's are lined just right, any lighter almost feels too light to me.

Salmon rivers, now that's another story! The single-handers are becoming the minority, even in Quebec where the proverbial 9' 8wt was the defacto norm for ages.
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I live close to the Missouri River in Montana and trout Spey is booming here. The headhunters fly shop has been a big influencer on the topic. They even work with Whitney Gould and Mike McCune, 2 big names in the Spey world. The river is really wide and with a flat flow, perfect for swinging. I pretty much only swing for trout and will switch to my single gander only for dries.
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Here in Maine over the past 10 years, I have encountered exactly two other people using two handers to swing flies for trout. I'm essentially never on moving water anymore without one, so lots of guys want to stop and talk. A few of them own two handers that they use when they go to Quebec, New Brunswick, or Nova Scotia for Atlantics, and a handful use them overhead casting in the surf for stripers. There are a small number that I've seen high stick nymphing with switch rods or using them with float tubes for pond fishing. But basically nobody else swinging the long stick for trout or smallmouths in my neck of the woods.
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I fish Colorado River (Lees Ferry Glen Canyon National Park AZ) a 13 mile tailwater fishery for wild RBs and Browns. I got in 60 days a year for the last 2 years and have seen one TH guy all that time. What I find amazing from the one hand guys is that they have no intellectual curiosity in what I am doing. Not sure if they don't notice or don't care?

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I am in the Lower Mainland of BC and I am sure there are folks into it but I haven't seen any. I just walked in there door, back from a smaller river around here where I used my new trout spey to swing/strip fry patterns for feasting cutties and it was a BLAST! After a slow winter steelhead season that was super fun. Can't wait to do it again!
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I love this thread because I was beginning to wonder if this lack of curiosity (and creativity) was just my imagination. I love trout spey. I am planning a trip to Pyramid and can't wait to strip streamers or suspend balanced flies with my trout spey. I cant imagine that the longer casts and associated longer retrieves won't be of benefit. Please keep this discussion going so it wont be so lonesome out there.

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