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post #31 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-15-2019, 09:29 AM
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I fish Colorado River (Lees Ferry Glen Canyon National Park AZ) a 13 mile tailwater fishery for wild RBs and Browns. I got in 60 days a year for the last 2 years and have seen one TH guy all that time. What I find amazing from the one hand guys is that they have no intellectual curiosity in what I am doing. Not sure if they don't notice or don't care?
I have often thought about this as well. I think it is intimidation mostly. The only guys that ask about spey casting are the guys that have a good single hand cast. BTW I to swing the Ferry.
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I fish Colorado River (Lees Ferry Glen Canyon National Park AZ) a 13 mile tailwater fishery for wild RBs and Browns. I got in 60 days a year for the last 2 years and have seen one TH guy all that time. What I find amazing from the one hand guys is that they have no intellectual curiosity in what I am doing. Not sure if they don't notice or don't care?
Im sure they are intellectually curious but they most likely don't care about how you are fishing. Most people are not out experimenting. They are fishing the way they know how and are comfortable doing it to catch fish. These are the guys you want to fish around. Less talk, more rock. When somebody is bending my ear my fly is not in the water.
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I was alone for many years, fishing our rivers for trout and Danube Salmon (hucho hucho) with a DH rod.
Before the invention of Trout Spey rods I used softer 12’6 rods in #6/7 or 7/8 and occasionally still do so. Common methods in my area are spinning and SH rod.
It was and still it is a lot of fun and it’s best training for salmon fishing. I am DH addicted, only interested in swinging, not at all in Nymphing. A six-piece SH rod in the backpack for the occasional hatch and dryfly approach.

I was used for a very long time, not to be asked, what I am doing. Nobody was interested, only very very seldom, but there was a change the last years.
It’s the big marketing offense for Trout Spey, that influences SH flyfishermen, to test the newest gear they get sold and the Internet of course...
And I don’t know if I should be happy about it for me and my fishing. Too often now I am asked to show my tackle, casting and fishing technique while fishing. I was used to do so, being helpful for many years for friends and our clubs for groups, interested in salmon fishing, DH rods and Spey casting lessons. I still do it, to bring the interest in this endangered species forward. I am sure, it’s the only way to protect a species when there is interest for it.

But when I am trout fishing?
In the beginning I was helpful and spent sometimes hours and days of my fishing time for a single person.

A little story, encouraged by GHalliday:
An unknown fishermen came down the river, dressed like out of a fresh printed catalogue and equipped with the most expensive gear. He watched me casting and fishing for a while and began to ask, well educated and very friendly. In short: He wanted help and I didn’t want to be biased because of first impression and gave help - what we all are used to do when we are asked for friendly.
He was equipped by a dealer completely for more than 6.000.- € (clothing, waders, Trout Spey and Danube Salmon outfit) and a DH training for another 500.- €.
No outfit was a proper fit of rod, reel, shooting head and runningline. Impossible to learn a proper technique. I felt sad for him and spent several days with him to adapt different lines to his rods, changed and adapted backing and runningline for him on completely overfilled reels. I started training with him to cure the worsest mistakes in his casting. He made good steps forward. The days were full of questions and WhatsApp traffic.
After a while I recognized he is heavily fixated to labels and names, without much appreciation for the informations and many lessons I already gave to him. He changed his setups again after Internet research and dealer contacts with immediate negative results in casting. After side by side casting and comparison I showed it friendly and diplomatic to him as a last help and last try. The differences were also noticeable for him. He said, but it’s the dealer, he should know what he needs for his rods (we are in SH area...). No further argumentation for me.... He wanted to do another casting training with the dealer.
After a while he sent one of my lines back to me, customized to his Trout Spey rod, also a leader. The completely new line was dirty all over, curled and looped in smallest circles to a figure eight knot. Line cracking... The leader I adapted and gave to him, was a tapered FC 12‘. He wrote, he broke my leader and put a (useless) leader into the envelope as a substitute, without his address...

Later I heard from a buddy, which I brought into DH casting, he came into contact with him while fishing and was also asked very friendly to give help. Asked after the person went into the water 20 m downstream of him ... to the hot spot in the run I showed to him months before...
Before he met him, he sold both setups I adapted with care and bought two new outfits from the same dealer while the next casting instruction. My buddy said, it was the newest of the newest and most expensive, but again not at all a good fit of the lines to learn.

There is always a win situation in experience for life. I don’t care for the material at all, but if there only haven’t been the lost in fishing time... days...
And obviously he knows what’s wrong - the win situation for my fishing: I saw him coming with his car after me to the river and he turned away at once to change place.
May this friendship Rest In Peace. And of course may this and all dealers in general have their income for their families.

Of course there have been other experiences - in fishermen and dealers - and some of both sides became a good buddy or even a worthy friend.

But take care who is asking you what you are doing in Trout Spey while fishing!
That’s why I share this little story with you - and I feel now, writing this down, it seems to be a little bit of therapy for me too.

Time is running... A little bit of work, a little bit married, fishing, hunting... What else?

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I live in north italy, here is trout spey is quite new, i think that on a river if i meet 100 fishermen maybe 1 will be with a dh rod
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A shout out to Lees Ferry in new SWING, "Desert Trout" by Steve Kyle. Great quote from his guide..."You'll never catch anything with that thing!"

Fly fishing teaches us early on "one" is a lot bigger number than "zero"......
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Bass fishing is picking up

Its not trout Spey but its smallmouth single hand Spey. The biggest so far has been 2-3 lbs
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In the past 5 years, I've run into one other trout spey nut on the local rivers here. I know there are a few more around, but we never seem to see each other on the water.

The local fly shop is only somewhat aware of two handers. The guy I bumped into a few years ago said he suggested to the manager of the fly shop that they start a two-handed casting group and sell two-handed rods and lines, but that hasn't happened. We both thought that they could sell quite a bit of two-handed gear if they would carry it.

Maybe most of us already know what we want and order it, either from the local fly shop or buy it from a knowledgeable shop when we're on a trip. I usually buy from my favorite knowledgeable shop in Maupin, OR. I also buy a fair number of used rods here on Spey Pages, although I'm trying to quit.

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Its not trout Spey but its smallmouth single hand Spey. The biggest so far has been 2-3 lbs
NICE!! I love anything with an adipose fin but I get fired up for smallies. They are relatively abundant, have a wide range, and are a great diversion from work or in the evening while I am traveling. I accidentally stumbled into a pile of them just outside Hancock, NY yesterday. I was looking for B or even C water to avoid having to look at another angler and there they were. Mixed in was a nice selection or rainbows.
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The blue-ribbon stretch (100+ miles) of the Yellowstone River is my home water. I and my ARE 12' 2/3 wt seem to have it all to myself.
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I fish the NF of the Clearwater in Idaho, my buddy and I are as far as I know the only two that fish with the two handers for trout. Steelhead, is a different story on the main body of the Clearwater. Dry's and streamers mostly. My buddy Tony likes skating dry's and it works well for him. Skate karma I guess.
I am up there most of the summer along with other rivers you are no doubt familiar with, and will pull my two-hand 4wt out every day or so. I started with it when I was practicing every morning with my steelhead rods, but kept a streamer on the line. I would always catch a few that way, so bought the 4wt and now fish wets, soft hackles, and streamers early in the year when the flows are higher. A buddy will sometimes join me and he also uses a two-hand rod. Surprising we both don't seem to see a lot of people doing that, considering the number of two-handers on the Clearwater, Ronde, and Snake starting in August.
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re: lack of intellectual curiosity in spey casting.


Yes, most folks are focused on the task at hand. That said, are any of you noticing anybody watching you 2-hand cast/fish?

I recall observing 2-hand fly fishers for the first time on the lower Salmon River in upstate New York in the early 1990s. I watched with horror as every 2-hander waded out to his crotch and then started mercilessly beating the water to a froth. I never talked to any of these brave 2-hand warriors.

What was I supposed to do? Go up and say "Hey man, gee golly, what on earth are you doing!?!!"

By that time I was already several decades brainwashed into the Charles E. Brooks ideology of surreptitious angling. In addition, I knew by that time from personal experience that migratory salmonids were not leader shy or even noise shy for that matter but could be very sensitive to unexpected movement.

Moreover, these Spey pioneers on the Salmon River were sticking resolutely to certain water types and ignoring all the others, i.e., ignoring the water where I was hooking and beaching all my large steelhead.

A decade plus later, I observed a BC 2-hand caster work a favourite run with short, no nonsense, efficient single Spey casts while standing on shore. That demonstration sold me. The angler I observed is well known in the 'community'. He never saw me and apparently had no idea I was carefully observing him.

Where I fish for interior BC trout, I am always the only one on the water with a 2-hander but that should change over the next decade or so. Mind you, a lot of the time, I or we are the only ones on the water. I do pray that does not change.
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Yes, most folks are focused on the task at hand. That said, are any of you noticing anybody watching you 2-hand cast/fish?

No. I do not enough free time to even pay attention to the fact that somebody might be watching me. I was on the East Branch and West Branch of the Delaware Wednesday and Thursday last week and other than a few interactions with some courteous drift boaters that were moving through I hardly paid attention to anything that was going on around me. The dry fly guys don't care about anything that does not start with dry fly. The streamer guys are hitting the banks from drift boats. Spey guys are fishing from the New York side, cranking one out to Pennsylvania, and drifting back into New York. Nobody really cares how the other guy is doing it around here.
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It a big deal in Utah, both on the Green and the smaller rivers. 4 weights seem to be the top rod. I also see two handers quite a bit on the Snake, South Fork, and Henrys Fork. The last trip to the Deschutes saw a few as well. Swinging for trout is almost as rewarding as fishing dries.
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I am up there most of the summer along with other rivers you are no doubt familiar with, and will pull my two-hand 4wt out every day or so. I started with it when I was practicing every morning with my steelhead rods, but kept a streamer on the line. I would always catch a few that way, so bought the 4wt and now fish wets, soft hackles, and streamers early in the year when the flows are higher. A buddy will sometimes join me and he also uses a two-hand rod. Surprising we both don't seem to see a lot of people doing that, considering the number of two-handers on the Clearwater, Ronde, and Snake starting in August.
Just got back from the NF, we saw two single handers the rest were spinning gear. If you see a silver Tacoma with a couple of two handed guys that's me.
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I fish the NF of the Clearwater in Idaho, my buddy and I are as far as I know the only two that fish with the two handers for trout. Steelhead, is a different story on the main body of the Clearwater. Dry's and streamers mostly. My buddy Tony likes skating dry's and it works well for him. Skate karma I guess.
I took a day on the North fork about 5 years ago to break up some slow steelheading. I swung some on my troutspey but mostly used hopper dries on my 1hander. Beautiful country up there and one hell of a dirt road drive in a rental car. I didn't se another human, let alone a speycaster. JP
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