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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 04-15-2019, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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"Mid" belly line for Redington Hydrogen 3113

Been thinking of a "mid" belly line for trout spey for a few weeks now, and have been unable to find much info other than "nobody uses traditional lines on a switch (11'ish) rod". I tried a DT7F that I had laying around that weighs 300 grains @ 45' and it feels ridiculously light, like the rod isn't loading enough. Does anybody have any first hand experience or suggestions?

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No first hand experience but, I think it has more to do with profile/taper than weight in this case. 300gr should be able to bend that 3wt pretty good I would think but the fact that most of the weight is in the wrong position to do so and it being a shorter rod will it not pick up more line in the air. I think if you went to something like a Wulff TT or something similar for profile and weight distribution you might find it works better. Even some sort of single hand spey would likely work well. Hope it helps

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P.S. Maybe someone in your local has something you can try before you buy.

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Thanks for the input eriefisher. The weight on the DT is definitely in the wrong spot even though this particular line has a longish front taper. It will overhead cast just fine (which is not what I'm looking to do). I can get an okay single spey out of it, but I have to punch the h**l out of it with my top hand or it won't form a front loop (which is why I was thinking it's too light... not enough rod load). I'm thinking I'll need somewhere around 350-365 grains in a 45' delta-ish taper. The reason I haven't tried the Single Hand Spey is because the head length doesn't offer any advantage over my Scandi Short. I would love to try an Airflo River and Stream WF9F, but airflo lines are almost non-existent in my neck of the woods.

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rio single hand spey. as close as you'll get. great w/ small flies. don't think 55-65' head would be very enjoyable on a rod so short. the 6wt on my 3110 one is spot on. 35' I think

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As I see it, your asking a line to do something the rod can't do or your asking the rod to throw a line it can't. Sometime you just need to bounce off a boundary and either stay inside the limits or move to something with new limits.

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I asked Peter Charles a similar question about longer bellied lines for the Loomis 41111 Short Spey. He suggested the following single-handed lines. I hope this is of help to you.

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Sixth Sense 7/8 wt. in any density - 320 over 46 long
40+ 8 wt. in any density - 325 over 36 long
Beach line 8 wt. in any density - 320 over 33 long
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Thanks for the suggestion matuka mike. Again the Single Hand Spey offers no advantage over my scandi short head because mending is compromised at distance. I'm a decent caster. With effort, I can repeatably single spey 40' of dt3f plus 10' of leader with my glass 6.5' 3wt single hander. This is a 6:1 head length to rod length ratio. It's not easy, but I do it when the situation dictates. This allows me to swim my small dry or wet fly wherever I want, and even alter direction and swing speed whenever I want. You can't do this when using shorter heads because the running line won't effectively mend the heavier head. So I'm looking to fish bigger water with the same small flies, the same way, just using my light two handed rod at greater distance, with less effort. To keep the casting easy, I was thinking a 45' to 50' delta taper head (4:1 to 4.5:1 ratio for an 11'-3" rod) or a big double taper. The problem is, the few local shops we have aren't knowledgable in spey gear, and they barely have light double taper lines on the shelves, much less heavy ones. There's one other guy on SP who is from my area, and is interested in the same thing. So far I havent been able to find head lengths/grain weights on Wulff TT lines. Any help there?

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That's what I'm thinking LowWaterDouble! Did you try any of those lines for yourself?

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Sixth Sense especially!

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Sorry but I haven't.
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I'd say anything in the bottom right of the graph are decent options. Just ensure the grains for the head are within range for your rod.

This thread has perky my curiosity, I'll probably be grabbing either the DistancePro or the River and Stream in 210/240gr for my 3wt IMX Pro.

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Please let me know how it works for you coalbe!

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Cc,

Here's an alternative for you and something I've been playing with on and off. Take an SA Steelhead taper, cut the head off at the running line, reverse the line and attach to you running line. What you end up with is an approximately 60' head head that uses the long, fine 24' backtaper of the line as your new front taper. Vary the length out the rod till you find what loads it nicely and there you go. In fact, what you end up with is a taper that is nearly identical to the green Deltas but in a significantly lighter weight. I did this with an old 9wt that I bought on ebay for a song and ended up with a 60' head that weighs 444gr. For reference, an 8wt weighs 402 grains....at lease mine does. If you try this let us all know how it goes. Fun experiment.
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I like Cowboy Tom's idea and was going to do a similar thing with a different line for different reasons. However, how long was this 9wt? He is working with a 11'ish foot rod. 60 feet plus leader(long especially) will be difficult with a short'ish rod. All total, upwards of 75-80 feet of line out of the rod tip. Possible? Yes but difficult.

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Dan,

the 400+ grains would probably be too much as well but it could be easily cut shorter to taste. Could shorten the front taper a little as well since it goes down to 0.038". He could also got down in line weight till it all matches up. I really want someone to do this with several line weights so I don't have to sacrifice a bunch of my single hand lines for the sake of science.!

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