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Click and pawl for Loomis IMX Pro 3wt

Trying to get some ideas for a click and pawl reel for my 3wt IMX Pro.
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Hardy Princess or Marquis 8/9. Using the Princess on my ACR 1172 , perfect balance. Marquis 8/9 will be latched to my Meiz 1193 as soon as she’s done!
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I'd second a Princess, and suggest a 3 5/8 Perfect as well
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Not to high jack this post too much but what is the advantage of click paw. Never heard of it until the other day.

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Not to high jack this post too much but what is the advantage of click paw. Never heard of it until the other day.
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Oh boy, you could spend a whole day reading the discussions of this issue on speypages. It’s not an “advantage” as such, it is a choice. There are a lot of little reasons that can add up to a big reason while many people, myself included, prefer them when they are viable.

1. Pleasure. Added pleasure and connection to a fish - click and pawl reels don’t have an actual drag just an adjustable tension that is used mostly to protect from a major overrun, and pressure on the fish is micro-controlled depending on the exact style of the reel by the fisherman either by pressure against parts of the reel, against the line or both. If you are good at this it is BETTER than a regular drag because you intelligently control it in response to the state of the fish every second. In the process you are more aware and connected to the fish every second, and most people find it far more exciting and fulfilling.

2. Minimalism. If you think a regular disk drag is required you would be wrong %95 of the time.

3. History. Added connection to the history - not only is this the style of reel that most people used for more than a 100 years, but you can fish with the same reel design, and in many cases literally the same reels. I like knowing that many of my reels are older that I am and I am merely the latest person to catch fish with them, and maybe people will still be fishing a few of them when I’m gone.

4. Beauty. The best ones are often beautiful. Age can make them more beautiful in our eyes. In contrast some of the ugliest, soulless, cookie-cutter reels made today are cheap cast aluminum large arbors with cheap disk drags. And big ugly corporate logo!

5. Simplicity, see minimalism. Many click and pawl reels are mechanically very simple and can be serviced while standing in the river if necessary.

6. Sound. The sound of a high quality click and pawl reel can be thrilling, especially that first minute or so when you hook into a hot fish and are not in control. More feedback from the fish, this time through the ear.

We are starting to notice a theme here, right? All these are factors that make the experience more beautiful and satisfying. It’s not about a cold calculation of advantage or disadvantage. Yeah, it is a bit of rebellion against modernity which basically has put more and more technology between us and the experience of living.
Either you feel that is important, or you don’t, but I’d answer about same way that the Physicist Philip Anderson once answered a congressmen when asked how a certain advanced research project would contribute to the defense of the country. He said it woundn’t, but it would make the country more worth defending. Likewise I’d say click and pawl reel contribute nothing beyond a modern disk drag to merely catching a fish, but it make the experience more worth having. It’s perfectly fine for people not to feel this way, but if you think that sounds good then I highly suggest you try it!

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Not to high jack this post too much but what is the advantage of click paw. Never heard of it until the other day.
A step back rather than advantage. Less technology between you and the fish. And maybe a bit more fun.
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A step back rather than advantage. Less technology between you and the fish. And maybe a bit more fun.

There is zero technology in disc drag. a few piece of washers and a screw knob to add pressure. I don't understand why a fishing reel cost almost as same as a race car wheel and brake system
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There is zero technology in disc drag. a few piece of washers and a screw knob to add pressure. I don't understand why a fishing reel cost almost as same as a race car wheel and brake system
So technology was poor choice of words. How bout, "harkens back to a simpler time."
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There is zero technology in disc drag. a few piece of washers and a screw knob to add pressure. I don't understand why a fishing reel cost almost as same as a race car wheel and brake system
Simple answer.
Because people will pay it.
(BTW I too am guilty of this and likely will be again in the future.)

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There is zero technology in disc drag. a few piece of washers and a screw knob to add pressure. I don't understand why a fishing reel cost almost as same as a race car wheel and brake system
It’s not technology with a capital T of course, it’s something manufactured and used that works to do something you could do yourself just fine - and placed between you and the world you are interacting with. Something unnessary and often even working less well. So from that point of view it is very representative of the aspect technology that is at issue for some of us. Full disclosure the same people also tend to LOVE the technology that goes into finely-made click and pawl reels and other types of hand made ones, but especially the thought that went into them and the craftsmanship itself. So it not a critique of technology per se, just the way it is sometimes used.

Oh, and for the OP my answer would be Princess or Marquis 7. The 8/9 seems easier to find but the 7 was also popular. I find the the 8/9 balances my 13’ 3/4/5 Meiser Highlander (basically a 13’ 5 wt). Of course for a very light rod like that weight hardly matters, but seems like a light rod for smaller fish just feels right with the smallest reel that does the job. But if you are in the ballpark weightwise if you see one that just speaks to you then that is probably the one. At the 8/9 weight and I think not mentioned yet - the currently produced 3 3/8” wide spool Perfect, and a CFO V. Kinda more expensive though. The Marquis reels would probably be your best bet at cheaper in the Hardy group, or see if you can find the SA systems version - same reels at close to half the price usually. An old marquis with a black faced spool would be perfect.

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Not to high jack this post too much but what is the advantage of click paw. Never heard of it until the other day.
For gear and pawl reels there is more tactile and audible feedback as your fingers apply and release the pressure on the spool for resistance. While a disc drag does most of the stopping power. For me it's akin to driving an automatic vs a manual transmission. There is a lot more to do in a manual, but once you have it going it can be far more rewarding than an automatic if you like driving(my experience). But for most, an automatic would do just fine. And if you're 'hooked' on something anything really, you are more willing to try and search for ways to enhance your user experience and express that by the choices you make in buying/tying/making your gear and also by the method and approach you employ.
So, at the end of day, it is simply a personal choice.

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Nice thread for all of the right reasons !!
My new reels are lightweight, perfectly machined & super effective, my older English disc drag reels are competent, workmanlike and have great memories, my click & pawl Princess is a timeless beautiful classic and appreciated by the discerning. Think finery that is appreciated in classic cars, whiskey and cigars !! All good !
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Does the hardy princess come in more than one size?
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