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Rio Single Hand Spey vs new Trout Spey

I realize that this might be a long shot, but has anyone had a chance to compare these two lines with a two-handed rod? I'm looking for that "one" line that can do a wide range of duties, but mostly swing soft hackles and streamers as either one can capably perform, I'm sure. I'm just looking for that nuance that would provide one an edge over the other, maybe in the rare case I would use it for indicator fishing. Any feedback you'd have specifically with these two lines on a two-handed rod would be appreciated. For reference, it would be used on my Echo SR 3106 switch rod. I should note that I already had a SA Skagit Lite line for it so I have that whole sink tip end covered.
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I realize that this might be a long shot, but has anyone had a chance to compare these two lines with a two-handed rod? I'm looking for that "one" line that can do a wide range of duties, but mostly swing soft hackles and streamers as either one can capably perform, I'm sure. I'm just looking for that nuance that would provide one an edge over the other, maybe in the rare case I would use it for indicator fishing. Any feedback you'd have specifically with these two lines on a two-handed rod would be appreciated. For reference, it would be used on my Echo SR 3106 switch rod. I should note that I already had a SA Skagit Lite line for it so I have that whole sink tip end covered.
I’m a big fan of the Rio Single Hand Spey lines, but I haven’t tried the new trout spey lines/heads as I have a number of equivalent things I had built for me over the years by Steve Godshall back when he was not just the best option (still is IMHO) but virtually the only one. The single hand spey lines are very different, and fill a different nitche. Both the skagit and scandi flavor Rio trout spey lines are short heads - they are basically scandi and skagit style heads that are both short (to use on shorter < 12’ rod) and lighter for use on very light wt rods. Until the recent surge in popularity of trout spey it was very hard to reproduce the middle of the road spey experience on light, trout weight rods because there were very few spey head like that made, and these new heads fill the (already shrunken) gap.

The Single Hand Spey lines can be best described as SH trout taper lines, like the Rio Gold trout lines for example, but with a bit of added weight added to the butt to make it a bit easier to do single handed spey casts. As such they are a lot longer (around %50), and with say a 12’ tapered leader they are closer in line-to-rod-length ratio - when using a short switch rod - to a short belly line. The SH Spey line’s forte is when want a line to do both regular overhead style casts and Spey casts - for example if you want to switch seamlessly between overhead casting dry flies (spey style casts will dunk your flies) and swinging light soft hackles. But Rio makes a beautiful multi-density version of these that is just perfect in a lot of swinging situations. You could also do all of that on a short 2-hander rather than a SH rod, and when I do this I’m generally treating the line like a shorter short-belly style line and do mostly snake roll and single spey casts.

So apples and oranges. The trout spey lines are just regular spey lines/heads for shorter, lighter weight rods, and IMO there is a lot more in common between even the skagit and scandi flavored trout spey lines than either of those has with the SH Spey lines. The trout speys, it goes without saying, are easier to do spey casts with - but even a scandi head will be a bit clunky in comparison with the SH Spey lines. Hope this helps a little for getting oriented.

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I realize that this might be a long shot, but has anyone had a chance to compare these two lines with a two-handed rod? I'm looking for that "one" line that can do a wide range of duties, but mostly swing soft hackles and streamers as either one can capably perform, I'm sure. I'm just looking for that nuance that would provide one an edge over the other, maybe in the rare case I would use it for indicator fishing. Any feedback you'd have specifically with these two lines on a two-handed rod would be appreciated. For reference, it would be used on my Echo SR 3106 switch rod. I should note that I already had a SA Skagit Lite line for it so I have that whole sink tip end covered.
The Single hand spey is 10' longer if I understand correctly, probobly the best choice if you plan and overhead dry flies, it does not spey cast as easy as the shorter shooting heads though.

The Trout Spey is shorter they say, and you can attach replacement tips or mono leaders or even versileaders, which are like polyleaders. I have the Single hand Spey, but the trout spey sounds like a decent choice. Might be able to handle a tad longer floating tip for more delicate presentations. Unsure how it compares to the Skagit lite.

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I have both of those lines and use them for different applications for sure. The advice above is spot-on. The single hand spey line is much longer and is an excellent overhead casting line. At least for me, others may disagree.

The trout spey lines are essentially a rebirth of the rio scandi body. Just a foot difference in length and a slightly different color. Ashland fly shop folks have sung the praises of scandi body for years. Check out their extensive vids for it in action.
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I've got the Rio SH Spey line in 4 and 6 weights. It's a great line for SH Spey casting, roll casting and short to medium distance overhead casting (to 80'). It's my current favourite floating line for light fly applications.

I haven't tried the other line and I'm not likely to since I like longer heads.

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The question i hav3 is what’s the difference between the new Trout Spey and the Scandi Body?
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i have the rio single 3,4 5,6 and 8... i really like it

on a redington trout spey 11 wt2 i used a opst 200gr for swinging heavy streamer( when i had to go down) and used a rio single 4 (if a little windy the 5) for dry fly, and wet flies

i bought the rio trout spey 2 and for sure it much easier to cast, less d-loop behind you
, not so delicate with dry flies, if i use a 10ft floating poly, plus a 9ft leader plus tippet i have problem to straighten it out, so at the moment i am using it with a 5 ft polyleader floating, plus the conical leader (may be only my fault with the 10 ft polyleader)

for me a good line for light streamer and wet flies

difference is:

single spey is 34' ,plus 8' of handling

trou spey is 22', plus 5 of handling
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and here is the rio single hand spey
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I use the 305 grain Trout Spey head with versileaders or light MOWs and mono shooting line. I love it for fishing deep. I chose a 240 Scandi Short with 11' and longer leader for damp/dry flies so I only have to change heads, not spools, depending on the what and where the fish are eating. Plus, these two heads require about the same small amount of room for D-loop. So I can fish with the bushes almost at my back, out to 70' consistently, and even farther if I'm on my A-game. If you're an integrated line kind of guy and don't mind carrying an extra spool, Single Hand Spey line might be your best bet for dry work.

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Also, I've seen video where the Trout Spey Head is used with only a long mono leader (no tip) and it casted just fine, but distance suffered due to shorter head length.

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I asked this exact question from a friend, Craig at Red’s Flyshop, last week. His response was it depends on what type/size fly do you want to use. It sounds like you already have the set up for fishing streamers and indicators, so if you are going to use it mostly for soft hackles, as you stated in the post, I would go with the single handed spey. Keep in mind that it will handle like a spey line, so if you are not proficient casting longer lines on the two handed rod, you will likely not like it, at first. I don’t own either of the two lines that you mentioned, but will say that although I have more heads and separate running lines than I have integrated lines, I much prefer fishing the integrated lines.

The nice thing about the single handed spey and fishing soft hackles, you won’t need to waste any time stripping line in, just cast, swing, repeat...until interrupted by some pesky fish that you have to release. I don’t think the single handed spey line would be much fun fishing with indicators.

I saw an impressive demo with a Sage one 4 wt. and this line and later I tried the combo at Red’s Rendezvous a couple of years ago and it is one of those things that haunts me to this day...it was an amazing combination but I just can’t see spending that much for a rod /line combo for trout.
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