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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-22-2018, 03:34 PM Thread Starter
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OPST Smooth is awesome!

I got this line 2 weeks ago, but only today did some real field test.
Small, but deep river. Water was dirty, recently power station released water from reservoir. I fished very colorful streamer and caught 3 rainbows.

This line is a gem. I also have OPST Commando as separate head, but this one allows strip fly to very short distance, without bumping in the guides. Definitely best dedicated streamer fly line for trout. Also, I used it for overhead cast on some occasions, slowing down motion.

I use glass rod with this line, Echo Glass 486-4 (4wt, 8'6") , it allows wide load tolerance. But I think 175 grain is a sweet spot for this rod.
Rigged with 7'5 S6 sink tip + 5-6' fluorocarbon
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I like mine. Got the 250 grain for a 5 wt. switch. First outing was a week on a small NorCal river lined with trees, brush and high banks. Being able to strip in right to the sink tip was an advantage. It has a nice small diameter orange running line that didn't seem to tangle.
Now Rio and SA have similar integrated short head lines. It's nice to have such great light line options for single hand spey and short two handers for us trout/smallie chasers.
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SA Spey lite integrated skagit looks like serious competitor
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I used the Smooth 150 grain on a Barclay 7'4" 4/5 Parabolic with a 5 foot riffle tip this past week on a small river and it cast very nicely although I am no expert with this type of casting. I had a lot of cover behind me and was able to cast 30 to 50 foot with ease with the set up. I tried it later in the day with an 81/2' 4 weight graphite and the floating tip and it worked pretty well although not as nicely as the fiberglass set up. I think I might have been putting too much power into the cast as I got a lot of bounceback if I wasn't careful.
On both rods I was casting moderately weighted flies (Girdle, streamer) in the 6 to 10 size range.
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I bought an OPST head and lazar line right before the smooth came out. I probably would have opted for the smooth had I known about it at the time.

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I think I might have been putting too much power into the cast as I got a lot of bounceback if I wasn't careful.
I was getting bounceback as well using the Lazar line/head (even when I didn't feel I was forceful on the stroke). Before I was cutting short skagit heads from old integrated spey lines so I was use to having a lot more friction on the shoot. One thing that helped a little was going to the 35lb Lazar line instead of 25lb (I have the 175 grn head on a 10' 3wt single hander). But ultimately what I ended up doing is using the fingers of my left hand to gradually squeeze the running line during the shoot, essentially applying the breaks to avoid a 'crash'. Then I started getting a nicer landing at shorter distances.
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For those of you that have the smooth, no issues with the running line as far as coiling or tangling? Asking because I recently got a commando head and lazar running line (25 lb). It's a ton of fun for casting streamers on some of the smaller rivers around but so far I absolutely hate this lazar running line. Coils and tangles like crazy. Even after giving it several really good stretches and I even went as far as to pull it off my reel and run it firmly through my fingers probably 10 times to try and get any spin out of it.

I'm thinking either I try the smooth or I keep the commando head and give up on the lazar line and go to mono but it would be nice to be able to strip it all the way in without getting the bump of the guides.
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I gave the Smooth a run yesterday at a practical expo where we could try some lines in a river run. It was an improvement on the lazar from my point of view but then I am not a big fan of mono style running lines, not even a little bit. Still a big fat and splashy line though any way you look at it. I guess its alright once it swings around a certain distance but that big landing still makes me wince, so heaven only knows how a grumpy old brown would respond. Maybe it just doesn't suit our local applications.
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My Commando Smooth running line has behaved just fine. It's a pretty small diameter and doesn't tangle any more than the other coated type running lines I've got. I've used mono runners going back to the bad old days of Amnesia and Cobra but stick with coated shooting lines even for trout weight heads including Commando's. The slight distance advantage of mono is not worth the negatives unless you really need max distance. I've had very good long term results with Rio Powerflex and SA shooting line. Yep, that Commando is a fat tip skagit so soft landings are not gonna happen, but our rough water boulder filled local rivers hide the splash down.
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For those of you that have the smooth, no issues with the running line as far as coiling or tangling? Asking because I recently got a commando head and lazar running line (25 lb). It's a ton of fun for casting streamers on some of the smaller rivers around but so far I absolutely hate this lazar running line. Coils and tangles like crazy. Even after giving it several really good stretches and I even went as far as to pull it off my reel and run it firmly through my fingers probably 10 times to try and get any spin out of it.

I'm thinking either I try the smooth or I keep the commando head and give up on the lazar line and go to mono but it would be nice to be able to strip it all the way in without getting the bump of the guides.
When I cast all styles overhead to Spey there comes twist to the shooting line which I have to remove rotating the rod every half an hour or so but sometimes sooner. When I cast right hand up there comes a cork screw to the line normal way and it straightens when I rotate the rod like I would screw it tip ahead in to something and when shooting head which is in water won't turn it straightens the screw.

I haven't used a Nylon mono shooting line which did not improve wetting it overnight and then stretching very hard before fishing. I route the shooted length of line behind a tree and then pull both ends hard walking backwards.

It is the stiffness of mono which make it tangle less and perhaps 25lbs mono is too soft?

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How does the Smooth compare with the rio Switch Chucker?
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I have the #5 Chucker 375 grains and it's a 25 ft. head with a 14 ft. back taper behind the head to allow mending a bobber. It will throw light tips with fairly big flies and it's pretty decent for swinging. An all around line that is decent at mending indies and swinging but not great at either. It has a more skagit profile. The Commando I have is a 250. The head is about 13.5 ft. and back tapers right to the running line. It doesn't pretend to be anything but a skagit. You can check out Rio and OPST web sites if you need to examine line specs.
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Does this line come in a version suitable for an 11' 6/7 wt switch for o/head casting for coho, etc? I like the idea of a short head integrated line that can be stripped well in to the head if necessary.
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The OPST site has a technical sheet with the right Commando heads for different rod lengths and weights.

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