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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-01-2017, 06:27 PM Thread Starter
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Skagit casting from a float tube.

Hey folks, first post (other than my intro). I've been overhead casting a 9' 5wt from a tube on Stillwater for a few months now. Last week I saw a guy using a Commando head and a "Perry Poke" cast (standing in a boat). I was extremely impressed. After watching a lot of you tube videos, some of which showing guys Skagit casting (single handed) from float tubes I'm planning on giving it a try. I realize that float tubing is not where this method is normally used but it looks like it could be very effective and fun, even if it's just roll casting or using a Perry Poke cast. I called OPST and Red's fly shop to decide on what items from OPST I should buy ($105 for a setup). I searched through this sight for relevant post ( lots of good info) but I thought I should ask you people for input before making the purchase. Any input would be most appreciated. Thanks. Mike
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I never could use a fly rod effectively from a tube as I need solid footing to generate any power at all in a cast and sitting low in the water called for lots of zip in the cast to keep any long line in the air. Sooo, I am not expert in answering your question.

But, I'd bet that there is no way for you to do a "D" loop sitting low in the water w/o any firm foundation even with a longer rod.

Could well be wrong and often am so I'm intrigued by the concept.

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Can be done if you are so inclined. Easier with a 10ft rod. You wont be able to cast 80ft with it though.
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Even spey casting from the bank in still water is weird. From a floating device and in still water seems like a pain but thats just me. You are probably just looking for a fun way to freshen up time on the water so if thats the case then go for it!
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You may have noticed, spey casting involves a forming a D-loop to one side of the caster. What you may not be aware of is the D-loop needs to be placed on the down wind side of the caster, otherwise the wind may blow the loop too close to the caster resulting in some nasty things happening. Should the wind change, the cast must be made from the other hand at the other end of the boat. Not a very practical scenario.

You see people casting long distances from boats, & they are usually standing to do it. There are reasons for that. First of all, the boat spooks a fish, so they have to fish from a distance. Cast & strip line, repeat. They are standing which increases their profile, so they have to fish from even further out.

All of those reasons are negated when you are in a float tube because you are in the water with the fish. They will even swim between your legs, as long as you are not moving. If you are trolling shallow water, you are kicking up the bottom as you move along with your fins. That means bugs. The fish will be following close behind feeding on the bounty. When fishing bass, you can hang a 6" bunny leech 12" off your rod tip and swim it across the surface of some Duck Weed and catch bass all day long. Stick your rod tip back in the shrubs where the fish hide, where you could never get to by casting.

Before I got into moving water & two hand rods, I spent a lot of time learning to cast 9ft fly rods from a float tube. In a nut shell here is what I learned. Casting is much easier if you are sitting up out of the water somewhat. And you get around easier too. I cut a piece of 2" thick closed cell foam to fit the seat of my float tube. Most of the time, trolling was the name of the game. I found that even though I could cast a 30ft head & shoot maybe forty or fifty feet of running line. I didn't catch any more fish than someone fishing a short line, often times less.

My set up varied from 6 wt high density shooting heads to uniform sink lines to a full intermediate line. A floating line is next to useless in still water. Only when the surface is completely still, which is rare, will you have no slack in your line. Subtle takes will go unnoticed! A sink tip line was found to be totally useless.
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I use my Echo Switch Glass 4 weight with a Commando head and love it. I roll cast and overhead cast with it. Cuts down on false casting.
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Yes, Single hand spey casting is a great way to cut out false casting and get the fly out further than SH overhead casting.
I prefer this over traditional SH casting which I never use.
On my 6 and 8wt SH rods, I line them up with OPST or Airflo Skagit Scout heads.

The OPST is a good setup with their ultra short head coupled with OPST's shorter float & sink tips they sell for your 9' but water borne casts work best - especially the Perry Poke.

If you plan on airborne casts, look at the Airflo Scout Skagit head which is a bit longer than the OPST but not as long as a traditional 24' skagit head.
At about 18' head, the Airflo works best for my single hand spey casts - all casts work well including the Perry Poke.
Just pair it up with the same short tips that OPST sells.
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Wow folks, great input. From what I've been learning, Skagit casting from a tube is somewhat unorthodox, but from the you tube videos it makes me wonder why. Also witnessing first hand a guy casting a huge distance using the Perry Poke with a SH 9' rod makes me wonder why this is not more common. I am totally new to fly fishing and tubing, let alone completely clueless about Skagit casting.. but getting a 200gr ,13.5 foot Commando head with a 7.5' bucket tip with a Laser running line seems like an option worthy of consideration. I am targeting Brown trout on a lake in WA. They are no doubt smart, and shooting out past any previous surface disruption seems (to me) would be beneficial. Any additional input would be much appreciated, as obviously I have a lot to learn. Cheers, Mike
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So I finally got my OPST head , tip and running line. Walked down to a beach not far from where I live, waded out and gave it a try. Wading out to waist deep water seems to be about the same as sitting in a float tube. As you can imagine I must have looked like a monkey trying to fornicate with a football. That being said, I was truly amazed at what can be done with the OPST and a 9' rod. A simple back cast shot the line out nicely. A "touch and go" worked even better. I tried my best to emulate what I have seen on You Tube regarding single spey, circle spey, double spey, Perry poke etc.. but with limited success. After reviewing many You Tube videos since my first attempt I have a much better understanding of what they are trying to teach me. Just thought I should make a post to thank you folks again and let you in on some of the fun this total newbie is having. Regards, Mike
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Back when I fished out of a tube -- fishing LM BAs with spinning gear mind -- I never found my presence in the water spooked fish. At time I literally caught them off my feet! With normal color -- tan, olive,.. -- waders you should fit right in. Too much so I found on more than one occasion when an alligator turtle in mating season bumped into me, then stuck his snout out of the water, and hissed at me.

Don't let anyone tell you you can't make a wake in a float tube!

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