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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 10-17-2017, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
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Anybody using ultralight skagit setup with 3wt and 4wt SH rods?

I'm thinking about some dedicated setup to fish for brown trout in small streams with streamers.

Conditions are quite tough for traditional fly fishing - the river has forested banks, and trees often form a canopy over the water.
So, quite often it requires a roll cast from under the overhanging branches.

Casting distance is short.

The lightest OPST head is 150 grain, probably it will be enough, but some stealthy approach with less water disturbance also would be a benefit.
Are 120-130 grain skagit-type heads exist?

If somebody fishing in similar conditions, please share your thoughts
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foreach71, I've used the 150gr OPST Commando on an 8' 3wt glass rod. It works well for small streamers and light sink or floating tips. It can be landed delicately with some practice by stopping high and the dropping the rod. Just fyi, if your using soft hackles or unweighted flies, you can turn the OPST head around and use it as a Scandi line. It'll still need a tip and longer leader in this scenario. But I've had success with the standard setup and small to medium streamers on both small cold water and warm water fisheries. All the micro-skagit lines I've tried, SA Spey Lite, Skagit Scout, OPST Commando etc... start at 150gr as the lightest head available. Hope this helps.
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Any WF line should be fine there!

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I use a 150 Commando on my fiberglass 3 wt, and it works great. 5' floating tip and about 6' tippet. I'd love to swing a muddler thru that water.
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What you can also use are 14' Salmon Polyleaders or Rio's Spey Versileaders in any of the sink rates. I've been using these on 3-4wt rods for many years. They have plenty of grains and will get you deeper than any tip will that can be cast of OPST. 3" rabbit fly, no problem.
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VisionVibe lines work well for me in ultralight tackle with 2-4 wt lines. Some people posted they break. Iíve never experienced anything like that after fishing them for years. Not as clunky as ambush, never tried commmando lines as I needed to outdoor cane 6 ft 2w


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You could maybe try a full floating mow tip as a head in the appropriate grainage
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You could maybe try a full floating mow tip as a head in the appropriate grainage
They work well too. Been using heavy mow on my 8' 4wt paired to 5' salmon poly.

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2 feet less makes a difference

Both the Scout and OPST are great heads at around 13 feet long, I fish both these heads but, I find in small confined waters a 11' head makes all the difference, tipped with 5 foot poly leaders. The head was cut from the back end of a RIO 350gr 22' Skagit head, it has a nice back taper which becomes the front taper on the cut head, sort of a mini skandit, the presentation can be made to land softly with practice. You could even go shorter cutting down to 9' head (you could trim your scout head shorter) which I have played around with using a cut Rage head front section on a 4wt 8 footer, it cast really well similar to the Scout. Never used it for fishing as I preferred a full flyline on these shorter rods.
Regulations here are getting quite specific requiring that the fly line used in presenting the fly must be no less than 3 metres in some regions, keep that in mind in your home country.
Or just over line by 2/3 weights with an aggressive weight forward line
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I use a short glass rods lined with a double tapper with or without a 6ft. versaleader, kinda poor man's Skagit head. Sometimes up a line size. I kinda feel sometimes this is more versatile when you want to pound a hole. I fish creeks and small streams mostly all year for browns. Allot depends on water and bank conditions.

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Those old lines in the cabinet were kept for something, a good set of scales, heat gun and braided loops, supa glue and start cutting......good fun....and you can dial in just about any small single hand rod.....
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Yes if I can get away with a lighter tip (5' of t8) and mostly shorter casts I will use my 4wt CZN rod with a pretty short 200 grain skagit (currently a custom cut SA adapt line). I like using it to swing little streamers (2-3") over drop offs and into deeper cuts along the bank.

I prefer my switch rods when swinging for trout on big water however the single hand rod is good in close or if I think I may switch over to a floating line for smaller dries or euro leader for nymphing. It is nice to have a rod with a softer tip for those situations.

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Regulations here are getting quite specific requiring that the fly line used in presenting the fly must be no less than 3 metres in some regions, keep that in mind in your home country.
We also have some strange regulation. Part of the terminal tackle, which is not coated fly line and made from level or tapered monofilament , should not exceed 2x of the rod length. That's sum of the leader, colored sighter (if used in euro nymphing methods) and tippet section.

But it only prevents abuse of "Czech nymphing" method with heavy nymphs, I never use such long leaders when fishing streamers.
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I like the MOW tip trick - I use a medium MOW (120) gr + 5ft polyleaders on my 8ft Glass.
For the the bigger issue with super light heads like this is finding the right running line - it needs to be as light and thin as possible or the light heads donít want to pull them out when shooting. Since I usually want to strip the flies I dislike mono. The smallest Rio powerflex has bee the best mid ground so far.
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