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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-28-2017, 02:28 AM Thread Starter
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The Trend Continues..

A new entrant in the field for the attention of troutspeyers. Check it out on Youtube.

Scientific Anglers Spey Lite Fly Line Specs & Applications

Looks like OPST Commando heads have made a mark.


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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-28-2017, 07:08 AM
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This is a "trend" line but it´s different compared to OPST line it that sense that they have the fully integrated versions.
I have used the Scandi in 240 grains on my 3wt MS TH Winston the hole summer and for me this has been the “missing” piece in the Trout spey line up.
The line shoots great and presents small to medium size flies great. You can fish in close and you can fire away with some good distance.

We will see how it works over time but right now am a happy angler.

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Mattias,

They also offer a Skagit head only in 12' length -- in other words, a Commando-takeoff -- that you can connect with a Lazar running line or whatever.

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Hi DDB,
You are absolutely right in that regard. My native language is not English so I missed that also integrated version in my sentence.
Non the less, the lines are great and I also have the Skagit integrated version for my 4 wt. TH MS rod.

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The Commando will always have knock-offs and for good reason. What do they say about imitation and flattery? No one would have dared produce a 12'-16.5' head had it not been for the guys at OPST. Small, successful revolution results in rapid ripoffs.
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JonT,

Amen.

And it does not need to be said that the guys at OPST not only got the idea, identified an expandable niche market, produced a quality product, continue to test its uses in nearly every imaginable fishing context and produce high quality, informative, video ads but are among the best people to deal with in the industry. Kudos to them.

But then I am an addict, just having filled in a 175 gr Commando head gap in my series of lt to med heads. Next spring on I can use them on my rods from 2-3 through 7 wt.

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The Wulff Ambush kicked this ball into play years prior.. Yes, OPST have innovated, improved, and aggressively promoted (cool stuff ) Hardly a "rip-off" by SA..
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Regarding the Scientific Anglers Spey Lite integrated lines: I like the full FLY line. Also a fan of the textured, black junction.

Regarding the degree of innovation associated with OPST's Commando: rod length influenced the shortening of the Skagit head. Besides the Ambush, oddly enough made by SA, the Skagit Switch heads by Airflo, the lightest being 360 grains, are 18'. Extrapolate that down, and you'd be looking at ~15'. A few feet is hardly an innovation. OPST marketing did a wonderful job of convincing many folks that their lines were something extremely special.
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Regarding the Scientific Anglers Spey Lite integrated lines: I like the full FLY line. Also a fan of the textured, black junction.
Yes, this is very neat feature where you don't have to visually see the head to running line transition - the SA black junction you can "listen" for it and keep your eyes on the fish... for the next cast.

I will be picking up the SA Spey Lite line at Headhunters next week when I spend a week there.

I hope that in the near future, a manufacturer (Rio, Airflo, OPST, SA) would come out with a dual or triple density micro/ultra short skagit head so that we would have short chunky heads that can dig deeper....
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A few feet is hardly an innovation. OPST marketing did a wonderful job of convincing many folks that their lines were something extremely special.
A few feet and a 180 degree reversal in taper. Name a single other line/head that tapers thicker towards the tip.
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Methinks some of you are missing the picture.

The other earlier short Skagits for trout spey work IIRC had integral running as opposed to separate hi-tech shooting lines like Lazar. They also were not specifically designed as OPST lines were to use tips to provide wide versatility. And they certainly did not impact the single hand casting market as OPST marketing has. No major rod maker I know of went into trout spey until OPST kicked the door open.

And, no, I don't own any of their stock....

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SA also had the single hand Skagit almost 10 yrs ago, no rip off.

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A few feet and a 180 degree reversal in taper. Name a single other line/head that tapers thicker towards the tip.
Try looping a Commando on backwards and see if it casts all that differently.
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The other earlier short Skagits for trout spey work IIRC had integral running as opposed to separate hi-tech shooting lines like Lazar.

Anyone who wished for a modular head over an integrated had scissors handy. Lots of them..

They also were not specifically designed as OPST lines were to use tips to provide wide versatility.

Wulff Ambush does admirable job with tips. Whether it says so on the box nomenclature or not.

And they certainly did not impact the single hand casting market as OPST marketing has. No major rod maker I know of went into trout spey until OPST kicked the door open.

False. No shortage of light double hand rods that were well known and readily available long prior. Lot's of people were playing with RIO's Windcutter tips line -body only- as a skagit driver in early 2000 era. Also, history reveals that the Ambush paved the popularity upswing with single hand rods*. "Trout Spey" is nothing but a fairly recent marketing buzz word. Less than 5 years old in a manufacture context.

*it DID say that on the box
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Yes there was lots of rods that today would be called trout speys before OPST was on the market. I owned a couple of Loop Opti Switch rods, labeled as 6-7wt Singelhand, Loomis RR 5wt, and I have also owned the Sage One 4116 and that rod was labeled as a switch rod until for just a year ago. Don’t forgot about the Zpey rods that had small/short rods with changeable handles.
On my Loop rods I used cut down Guideline Power taper heads to about 270 grains.

I like OPST and have fished with 175, 200, 250,275 and 300 grains. But I like the idea of and integrated head on my trout spey rods. For me I get more trout “fishey” with a full line.

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