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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-04-2017, 06:27 AM Thread Starter
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Lining an 11 ' 3wt

Had this rod made by a customer maker with an eye toward tinkering with Euro-nymphing. I had him add a butt section for balance sake and looking at it now, it would seem to lend itself to
trout spey work too. The one issue is that it has single foot ring eyes that might not freely pass a really bulky shooting head.

The Euro nymphing approach is good for scouring the water close in but the far bank also has its lure.

What type of line -- TTF, is one I'm considering -- would you think makes this specialty rod wore useful in moderate to longer distance casting?

Need I up weight the line?

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-04-2017, 10:02 AM
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Sounds like a unique SH/DH rod hybrid.

I'd choose:
OPST Commando head with OPST floating 5' or 7' tips for floating work or OPST sinking S2/S3 10' tip for subsurface work.
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Line head weight should follow fly size and casting distance. Skagit bellys have too much unnecessary weight in the middle! Longer front taper (Scandi type) line heads cast easier, behave better and land softer!

Barrio SLX WF lines are not too expensive and have 33ft heads and single hand Spey casts great but using a switch rod I like to DH cast shorter about 25ft line heads.

Guideline Bullet Evolve WF have 28ft triangle taper head and lightest is 200gr. It is expensive but practically lasts forever especiallly now when it has a thicker handling / double hauling section. It is my favorite light single hand Spey WF.

IMO the best casting Spey shooting head still is Rio AFS and if you can find 4/5 you could remove its rear taper and splice front taper to a running line but it still would weight about 280gr at 30ft. Cutting rear shorter would make it lighter and I believe it would be fine as light as about 200gr so good is AFS taper.

I have read good of Airflo 65 WF lines for Spey casting which heads are 6,5m ~22ft and also Airflo 85 which head is 8,5m ~28ft.

Vision has similar (or the same) 65 and 85 WF lines.
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Heavy line head casts farther but when DH casting you need to be careful not to overpower the cast. 11ft 3wt is soft and when it is long too it bends already because of its own weight so the line weight role is not significant. It is the casting distance which bends the rod and nice line weight cause less bent than too light or too heavy line.

When you need more distance you can single hand cast and haul very late, when rod already straightens, to keep rod bend in control. Very late haul is best haul because it increase already high line speed but also narrows the line loop.

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I picked up an 11'3" 3wt earlier this year and must say it's one of the most intriguing trout rods I've ever touched. I'm in the process of trying a number of full lines right now but still have a few to go. That said, I did try a Wulff TT 5wt and it was simply too heavy for that rod, would love to try the 3 and 4wt versions. I have the opportunity to make some of my own shooting heads and have come up with a few that are essentially scandi tapers and shoot absolute bullets with both spey and overhead casts. Basic specs are 150gr to 165gr and approximately 18' long. (Part of why I arrived at those specs is because those are the tapers I happen to have on hand) Each works well with 10' trout polys and a brace of soft hackles. Other lines that are worth trying include OPST Commando (150 or 175) with appropriate tips, Barrio Small stream (3 or 4 wt) and SLX (same sizes), Rio Trout LT and Single Hand Spey, SA spey lite (150 or 180), various DT's and probably a number of others.

One thing I can say for certain is that length/weight of rod is incredibly fun and can open all sorts of new opportunities for trout fishing. As you try different lines please report back on your findings.

I see you're a shvingger too!

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I have an 11' 3/4 that I had Steve Godshall build a nymphing line for. It's a taper he calls his nympher supreme and is basically a beefed up scandi that turns over heavy flies and an indicator with ease. It's and integrated line so it shoots through the guides with no issues and has a head of 27.5 feet and 226 grains, a handling section behind the head, and slick coated shooting line behind that. Awesome line for nymphing, and pretty nice for swinging as well.

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Peteo,

I have been researching the suggestions made here so far and a call to Steve is the next step. The line he set you up with sounds intriguing as the custom rod maker did say he considered the blank I have to be a true 3/4 rather than the advertised 3 wt.

Just one question -- would your line perform OK with a 10 poly leader in dry fly presentations too? Yeah I know, I' m getting greedy and overreaching...

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DDB,
I've used my setup with poly leaders, both 5 and 10 feet long, and it turns them over just fine. I've pretty much only used sinking polys, but I'd assume it'll turn over a floater just fine too.

I don't think you're getting too greedy, but I find the trout two hander and dead drifting dries to be a poor combination. I fish dries for trout the vast majority of the time and the drifts are just too short, you need to vary the length of your cast too much, and the accuracy you need is just to fine to make a two hander a good tool for the job. A single hander and a good roll casting line (I'm using the Rio SH spey line these days) is, IMHO, a much better setup when dead drifting dries at least on the water I fish. Maybe you'll feel differently, many folks certainly do, but that's my experience.

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