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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-30-2016, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
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Anyone get their hands on one of these yet? If so, how would you compare them to the OPST Commando heads? I've always been a fan of Airflo's two hand lines and for whatever reason, felt they had a more "powerful" turnover vs. RIO and SA. Curious if that carries over into this new generation of lines.
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Airflo Skagit Scout

Compare the line designations and you'll see that the Scouts are designated heavier. The lengths are also a tad longer.

Tom Larimer told me that the Scout designations are around 30 grains less than a standard Skagit. Comparatively, the difference for Commandos is generally around 100.

I have a 300 Commando that I'll be comparing against a 300, 330, and 360 Scout. I'll post my observations here. The same switch rod that I'll be using is wonderful with a Skagit Switch 390.

On a side note, the Scouts are $5 more expensive than not just the Commandos but the Skagit Compact and Switch G2s as well. Less is more, apparently.
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I noticed that they were longer, but not horribly so. Then again, an extra foot and a half of length could result in dramatically different casting characteristics when dealing with such short heads. OTOH, the grains per foot aren't that disparate--the Scout is coming in about 2 grains/foot less than the Commando. That makes me wonder if the Scout will cast a little smoother than the OPST.

Looking forward to hearing about your experience on your switch rod.
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I've always been a fan of Airflo's two hand lines and for whatever reason, felt they had a more "powerful" turnover vs. RIO and SA.
Should be just the opposite because Airflo PU coating is less dense and is also stiffer than PVC coating although the difference should be very difficult to see

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It would be cool if Airflo could give us some grain recommendations for popular rods. OPST is great for that.
I used to have a Method 7126 which I liked with a Skagit Max 550, and Ben from OPST said to try it with a 350 Commando, turns out it was a perfect match.
I dont really want to have to buy many different Scouts to have to try and find a perfect match for some of my other rods, it can get expensive and frustrating in a hurry!!
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Should be just the opposite because Airflo PU coating is less dense and is also stiffer than PVC coating although the difference should be very difficult to see

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That's precisely why it seems to me that Airflo lines have a more powerful turnover, i.e., the stiffness of the Polyurethane coating would mean (to me) a more "quicker" recovering line.

In terms of being able to actually "see" that in action, an example that comes to mind is the "Delta wedge" that I've observed, both in first and third person, when casting one of the original and 2nd gen Delta Spey lines. More often than not, the forward loop shape would have two "legs," one in the normal position at the front of the loop, but also a lower one, on the bottom portion of the line. Essentially, the forward loop had two bends in it as opposed to the standard u or v-shaped loops people are used to seeing. It has been my interpretation that having two such bends in the forward loop meant two opportunities to transfer/delivery energy. After all, if you can unfurl one loop with power, what would that mean for two of them? Half the power in each leg or just more of it?

It's hard to describe so hopefully someone else on here has seen and done the same who can explain better. All that said, I haven't been able to reproduce the same effect in RIO or SA lines, single or double-hand. But that might be a consequence of being a mediocre caster.
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That phenomenon can be made happen with all long fly lines especially when no line is shot! It is called sexy loop

The effect of line stiffness is not much in practice but competition casters use very soft lines although they are very expensive and life span is short. Also the density is tried to made as close to water as possible although the line should float.

Line stiffness waste cast energy and it is easy to understand thinking what would happen if the line is significantly stiffer.

PVC lines can absorb water easily 3% and up to 5% and it can be felt after a long day of use and PVC also becomes more pliable. PU does not absorb water much and does not soften either. I like PU lines because they are very durable.

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That phenomenon can be made happen with all long fly lines especially when no line is shot! It is called sexy loop
It doesn't only happen with long fly lines. I've seen it happen with the Skagit Compact, Scandi Compact and 40+, all while shooting line. I can't speak to competitive casting, at least not with two handers, but I would agree that PVC lines get more supple with use and seem to wilt after a while which is probably why I feel like PU lines turn over better--like you said, they're more durable.

Back to the original topic: anyone have experience comparing the Scout side by side with a Commando yet?
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Yes from me, easy casting line

Fished a 330gr Airflo Scout on my ACR 1175 for 2 days casting T8 and various size flies up to bead head sculpin around 2" long. Conditions varied from calm to a breezy upstream wind. Dropping by 40gr from the recommended Skagit grain weight made the outfit a lightweight package to cast, easily casting the required 50-60' fishy range, as well as the tight against brush d-loop formed at arms length away from the body ones as sometimes required, but equally able to perform standard Skagit casts with arms tight in. If a cast required a bit more herbs for the wind I just increased the overhang by a few feet out the rod tip, and it just sliced through it. Thought it cast similar to the Skagit Switch they make and did everything that line did at the same time with a dropping of grain weight on the rod, great
Also liked the loop quality at each end of the line, something that stands out from the other brands at present, hopefully this will prove correct in time.
So yes I'm impressed with the line, it will be my first choice for our NZ winter stuff on the Tongariro, effortless casting all day long
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Back to the original topic: anyone have experience comparing the Scout side by side with a Commando yet?
Windy windy wade today. Cast the Commando today. Not my favorite head in any wind. Went to the shop, grabbed a 450 Scout. Will report back soon.
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Windy windy wade today. Cast the Commando today. Not my favorite head in any wind. Went to the shop, grabbed a 450 Scout. Will report back soon.
I'm definitely interested to hear how that 450 Scout compares. What are the grains on that Commando?
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I'm definitely interested to hear how that 450 Scout compares. What are the grains on that Commando?
Cast the Scout all day today. It was a dream. Effortless. Fished 10' T18 all day with ease. Commando was 350.
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Cast the Scout all day today. It was a dream. Effortless. Fished 10' T18 all day with ease. Commando was 350.
Right on, I'm excited to hear that! What kind of rod did you have it paired up with? I've been tempted to pick a Scout up but haven't decided what weight I should be going for.
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Right on, I'm excited to hear that! What kind of rod did you have it paired up with? I've been tempted to pick a Scout up but haven't decided what weight I should be going for.
11'7" 7/8/9 Meiser switch. 450 felt pretty spot on for that rod. What's your setup?
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I threw one of these on my microspey the other day. Like you RedFive, I also prefer Airflo heads. I was previously using a RIO Skagit Max Short @ 250gr and had on the 240 gr Skagit Scout. I believe the actual weight of the head was closer to 250 than 240 and also to be considered was a difference of 2.5 feet for length (Scout is the shorter of the two).

The rod I had was a Winston and thus was a bit shorter than other trout speys by 6 inches or so. Thus I wanted to try a shorter head to match. Needless to say I was pretty happy with the results. I did have to make some adjustments but very easily the casting came as said adjustments were in the normal parameters of casting in various situations you would actually find on a river. The casts looked much more stable and I thought the turn over was noticeably better. I couldn't get as tight of a loop as I could with the RIO line, but the difference was more than acceptable due to the better turnover and better materials and loops (in my opinion) than the Skagit Max. I think that may have to do with the stiffness or pliability of the line.

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