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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-07-2016, 01:32 AM Thread Starter
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Clousers

hey guys, just curious if anyone fishes clousers for trout? I normally fish buggers but would like to try something different and something that can get down just a little bit deeper. Color/size recommendations would be a plus too!
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When Bob Clouser and Lefty Kreh introduced the Clouser Deep Minnow it was widely used for smallmouth and salt water applications.

Bob also developed the Foxee Minnow for trout, it is not widely known and not on his shop web site.
Substitute artic fox tail for the deer hair,,,, smaller hooks are used and the fly has nice fluid movement when drifting/swimming.

A variation some tiers recommend is using red fox body hair to immitate small crayfish when molted, these also work well.


Colors I like are olive over white,,, other variations include yellow/brown over white and chartreuse over white.
Observe your baitfish dominant colors and make the wing sparce.

Sizes down to 10 work well at times.
Try casting near shore in shallows where baitfish live.

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FK did an excellent job as usual

I used clousers for trout in rivers exclusively over the last year. I'm trending into Spey flies and clousers and minitruders

In cloudy dark water I use black over green. For preferable conditions or rainy days I use orange over black and thr foxes minnow. Curiously rainbows and Brookies love these but not Browns so much

I'll post some pictures

Good stuff

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hey awesome! some pictures would be nice to see!
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hey awesome! some pictures would be nice to see!
Hey Carlos,

Hope all is well and you find the following helpful. If you have any questions or want close ups just ask. I think what we are talking about is a style of weighted flies. Giving plenty of credence to the author and traditional style of clouser, the great news is they couldn't be easier to tie. So the patterns are limitless and quick to produce even for a terrible tier such as myself. I put them on a paper towel to accentuate the colors and details as much as I could.

I tried the clouser on a whim and discovered the following for my fishing, your and others experience will vary undoubtedly. I used to fish zonkers which are productive but I found clousers much more effective. And no rabbit strip. Fox hair is preferable but can be substituted with deer or muskrat or other items that even can be synthetic. Some people think the color of the barbell eyes makes a big difference. Interestingly, fish tend to attack flies by the head so they may be looking at identifying the eyes as a target for which to aim. I believe there is merit and evidence to that theory.

In any case below you'll find various clousers I've found to be effective for high fast water when you need to get down; spring, fall, snow melt, spawning, smelt runs, etc.

After that you'll find a picture of mini intruder type flies that also spin into some barbell rabbit strip types that might be of interest although I haven't been fishing them. But I included them as we are discussing weighted flies using barbells as a particular pattern

I've been steering toward steelhead wet flies (what I once called Spey flies but are merely wet flies since the good gentlemen here set me straight repeatedly despite my slow learning curve) for both trout and salmon/steel as they are very articulated and I found a pattern that is weighted in the middle although it has yet to be useful. I'm always tinkering . . . clousers have been superb for me in spring and fall - not so much in summer

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Landed two wild and one hatchery spring Chinook on orange/red Clouser in May.
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I really like the olive color! I think I may have to tie up a few now. Maybe some in olive, brown/rusty orange and the classic white and chartreuse. I haven't played around with craft fur much, so i may try them out with that instead.

I can't help but imagine that a shrimp and white would kill during the winter, for steelhead too
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Back in the Eastern U.S. I've used Clousers to catch trout many, many times. They are such extraordinarily effective flies that I started to think using them was cheating. (Really.) I've landed 18-20" brown trout on Clousers, and 6" brookies on Clousers. Not to mention fallfish, largemouth, smallmouth, carp, catfish, bluegill, and other fish.

There is something about a Clouser that just works! I'm brand-new to steelhead fishing, but I have absolutely no doubt that a Clouser would work just as well on them.

I've always fished them aggressively, stripping them fast and furious, with the best results from stripping them across the current. Something about this just appears to piss fish off, LOL.

I've caught fish on many color combos, but my most successful one is just a sparse bunch of white deertail and a bit of silver krystal flash. That's it. Nothing fancy.

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Some years ago, I was chatting with Lefty Kreh after he had just returned from an Atlantic Salmon trip in Russia.

He stated the fishing was very slow until he tried some Clousers, blue over white and pink over white were very productive.
It really upset all of the traditional fly fishermen with their boxes full of classic salmon flies.
They all shared the bucktail in camp, tied up Clousers and everyone caught fish,,, no other fly was even close.

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The only time I've ever used a clouser was in baja and my first cast I hooked into a trevalley, which spat the hook. Ill have to give it a go in freshwater though!
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The clouser at work this morning

FK I love the anecdote, thanks for sharing that.

Scott you summed it up perfectly, that's been my experience exactly

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The clouser at work this morning

FK I love the anecdote, thanks for sharing that.

Scott you summed it up perfectly, that's been my experience exactly

That is one of the coolest pictures I've seen in a while
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Back in the Eastern U.S. I've used Clousers to catch trout many, many times. They are such extraordinarily effective flies that I started to think using them was cheating. (Really.)
I know I'm digging up a slightly old thread but I had to emphasize this. I live in upstate NY and I do feel like I'm cheating every time I use a clouser. Though the flies I'm using are not 100% true to the pattern but rather evolved from it. I usually add a small puff of marabou for a tail and a really thin dubbed body of something sparkly. The colors are usually white/brown or white/olive, I haven't tried any other colors because these are so effective, why switch? As mentioned they are super easy and quick to tie. When I'm sitting down to tie and I just want to knock off some flies that I know will be effective, it's almost always a clouser.

When I have a patch of water that I know has a mix of small and large browns, I'll swing a clouser through it and that's usually the best way to land the bigger fish. But they will catch smaller fish - like Scott, I've landed tiny brook trout, bigger browns, and everything in between. I've even caught creek chubs barely longer than the fly.
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Anything minnow-like can be great when fry of various types are in the water which is a lot of the time. I caught my biggest trout (21" rainbow) on my recent MT trip Spey casting and swinging a little minnow pattern that I'd call a "clouser lite" - was about an inch long. And this was after 4 days of guided fishing and in a place and time where nobody was swinging. Go figure. There were tricos and caddis coming off the banks in lung-choking clouds at the time and I was using a type 3 tip. Lol. I caught 2 other nice fish with the same fly moving down that run so it was not a fluke. This was absurdly satisfying for some reason. Especially after I had already gotten my fill of dry flies and individual head hunting.

So I guess a clouser of the right size and color is almost never a lame idea. I know a guy who says he uses ONLY clousers for everything, and he claims that at the right time of year when fishing for stripers in the Sacramento delta that he would typically also catch a couple salmon each day!
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I haven't tried clousers yet, but, for a small very effective fly I use rolled muddlers. I add a little flash on each side, sometimes. Add weight on the body to get down. Or you can add a bead. it is my go to fly. My go to fly used to be Muddler Minnoes.
But neither work well when the caddis are hatching. naturally.
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