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The Wet Fly - Soft Hackles

I would place the soft hackled flies at the top of the food chain. I enjoy fishing all the different styles of wet flies, but when it comes down to catching, the soft hackles get the call. Most soft hackles are built with a minimal amount of material. A simple body and a hackle and you are ready to fish. Have fun with these and thanks for looking.

The Partridge and Orange



Hook: Heavy wet fly
Body: Orange floss (Pearsallís Gossamer shade #6a)
Rib: Fine gold wire (optional)
Thorax: Hares ear
Hackle: Partridge

The original pattern did not have the hares ear dubbed thorax. I am pretty sure itís a US thing. We call this type of fly a soft hackle, but to be accurate itís a ďspiderĒ pattern. I never use a rib on the one I tie, but it wouldnít hurt. There is also a variant tied with a gold tinsel tag (Ian Glassford). You could do an underbody of flat gold tinsel, then go down and back with the floss. Leaving a turn of tinsel showing for the tag.

Start the tying thread 1/3 from the eye. Secure in a length of floss. Wrap the floss down to the bend and return. Secure and clip tag end.



Touch dub a fine amount of hares ear fur and build a small ball with the dubbing.



Select a partridge hackle and strip the left side of the feather. Secure the feather in tip first.



Wrap as a collar and secure. For a heavier hackled fly, use both sides of the feather.



Pheasant Tail Soft Hackle



Hook: Heavy wet fly hook
Tail: Pheasant tail feather
Rib: Small copper wire
Body: Pheasant tail
Thorax: Peacock herl (optional)
Hackle: Brown Partridge

I add a peacock thorax to help prop the hackle, plus trout love peacock herl.

Strip a small clump a barbs from a pheasant tail, gauge to length and secure. Secure in the copper wire and a second clump of pheasant tail barbs.



Wrap the pheasant tail forward followed by the copper for the rib. Secure in 4 peacock herls and build up a small ball for the thorax.



Hackle the fly with a partridge feather and whip finish.

Snipe and Purple



Hook: Short shank wet fly hook
Body: Purple tying thread (silk)
Hackle: Jack Snipe (starling)

No, I donít have a Jack Snipe skin. The Jack Snipe is now protected, the sub is starling

The Hares Ear Soft Hackle



Hook: Heavy wet fly hook
Tail: Hares ear (from the mask)
Body: Hares ear dubbing
Rib: Gold flat tinsel
Hackle: Brown (I use brown mottled hen hackle)

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Very nice Marty !!
It would be a tough decision on the stream which one to try first ....


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Thanks so much for bringing these type's of flies to the forefront on this forum

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It would be a tough decision on the stream which one to try first ....


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Oh those are my favs!!!!

I'm sitting down tonight and filling a box.

Thanks for sharing.

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It is probably just a cultural thing, but a lot of the Japanese (tenkara) style soft hackle flies are tied with the hackle facing forward - while otherwise being much like variations of the above flies. I have definitely wondered about this. They do work great for me, and not just on a tenkara rod. I was wondering if the real experts here have any thoughts on these flies. They seem kind of bizarre by western standards. I would think that their action in the water would be different with the hackles pointing into the stream. Does this mean they would tend to ride higher because of the extra friction? Could there be more than tradition behind this? Kind of alien to the western fly tradition, the Japanese have a tradition of some individuals that use only one style (sometimes personalized) fly for everything - I suppose the forward hackles mean you might then have more/different presentation options in that case, though I don't really know. Are there any western wet flies like this? Haven't seen any.

Full disclosure, these are not my flies. Mine are way sloppier! :-{
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North Country Spider Flies

Excellent, someone was pondering which one to fish, well in my state we can throw three (3), two droppers and a point fly (trout fishing in PA). I like to match my point fly with the size and body color of the emerger. I always have on a partridge and orange and then drop a darker pattern for the third fly.

Nice your using silk. The hairs ear thorax is used on both sides of the ocean. Helps to spey out the hackle. Some use peacock for the thorax. I also like the starling and peacock combination in my box. When I don't have snipe I do the starling and purple.

Larger versions are successful in landing Chrome.

The Tenkara flies have their limitation, not meant to swing, difficult to throw three at a time. North County Spiders you can nymph, emerge, swing, skate and grease them to float, versatile !
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It is probably just a cultural thing, but a lot of the Japanese (tenkara) style soft hackle flies are tied with the hackle facing forward Are there any western wet flies like this? Haven't seen any.

Full disclosure, these are not my flies. Mine are way sloppier! :-{
You are correct it is a Tenkara thing. The forward facing hackles are designed to be dabbed on the surface (direct line contact). The body breaks the surface film while the hackle keep the fly suspended. They would work on the swing because the hackles would flow reward under tension. You will not see this type of design on traditional wet flies and I see no advantage in tying a reversed hackle. Even the traditional dabbing flies are tied in the standard style. I do not use a Tenkara rod, so I cant say much when it come to fishing with one, nor have I felt the need to use a Tenkara fly while fly fishing. I can see how they might work, just not my style.
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well in my state we can throw three (3), two droppers and a point fly (trout fishing in PA). I like to match my point fly with the size and body color of the emerger. I always have on a partridge and orange and then drop a darker pattern for the third fly.
We can fish three as well here in Utah. I go Dark, like a Claret Bumble, then natural, like the GRHE or PT, then the point fly is something small with a tinsel body. During a hatch I try to match the natural with all three.

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North County Spiders you can nymph, emerge, swing, skate and grease them to float, versatile !
"North Country" Spiders, north of England if anyone was wondering where this all started.

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It is probably just a cultural thing, but a lot of the Japanese (tenkara) style soft hackle flies are tied with the hackle facing forward - while otherwise being much like variations of the above flies. Are there any western wet flies like this? Haven't seen any. :-{
The reverse(d) spider is a common sea-run cutthroat fly pattern that has been around for a number of years.

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Grouse and herl is best caddis match.



Herl body
Wire Rib
Red Grouse hackle

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Also, dont forget the Stewart Spider which can be seen on right:



This is a really great one.

Brown Silk thread body
Starling palmered.

Best to leave tag of silk thread and spin tag together with starling feather before palmering forward together. Strengthens it up really nice.
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We can fish three as well here in Utah. I go Dark, like a Claret Bumble, then natural, like the GRHE or PT, then the point fly is something small with a tinsel body. During a hatch I try to match the natural with all three.
Marty, I'm pleased that your enjoy fishing North Country Style. Nothing like spey fishing with an organized strategy. Big confidence builder that brings in the fish ! That's all I do, swing spiders.
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Grouse and herl is best caddis match.



Herl body
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Red Grouse hackle
Those are toight like a toiger -

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The reverse(d) spider is a common sea-run cutthroat fly pattern that has been around for a number of years.

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yes, developed by Al Knudson, a PNW pioneer. Found this interesting piece worth reading (*click*) especially on steelhead
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yes, developed by Al Knudson, a PNW pioneer. Found this interesting piece worth reading (*click*) especially on steelhead
I remember that article, great read.

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