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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-04-2016, 11:37 AM Thread Starter
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ARE 11' 2/3 vs Echo FG 3106-4

Hey guys,

I want to pick everyone's brain about these 2 rods. I feel pretty knowledgeable about specs/actions of both of them, but I'm very curious to see if anyone can provide some side by side comparison notes on them.

I have 2 rods used specifically for swinging trout and smallie flies:

A single to double conversion 10' 5wt paired with a rio Scandi short 210gr. This rod was kind of a broomstick as a single hander, but really settles down with "touch and go" casts. My only complaint is the rod is still pretty stiff and not very fun with a typical 12" trout or dink smallie.

The other rod is a redington dually 4wt. This is my heavier duty rod. It likes a Skagit trout max in 275gr. I usually run 8'-15' of t8. Once again, smaller fish turn into surfers if there is any current at all with this rod.

I really want to get a lighter switch before early spring rolls around and have had my eye on the echo glass switch for over a year now.

However, if I can spend less for comparable performance with the ARE then I probably will.

There has been lots of talk of ARE glass lately. Can anyone provide insights in comparison to the Echo glass 3wt?

I'd like to cast 200gr or under using mono/fluoro/poly leaders and unweighted to lightly weighted flies.

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I had inquired about the ARE glass blanks recently myself - best answers I found actually directed me to contact Steve Godshall - he's the man in the know on the ARE blanks, and I'm sure he's had some experience with the echos too.

I don't have any experience with the ARE glass blank yet myself - but I DO have a 12' 2/3 graphite IM6 from ARE that I built into a spey. I fish a 200 grain Skagit Max Short line on it as well as standard #4 WF lines. I am able to use mono or poly/versileaders depending on what flies I'm fishing and where I'm fishing. I use mine for lakes and river fishing. True dinks - say under 8 inches will "turn into surfers" as you say - but part of that is probably rod length. On a trout bigger than 8 inches, the rod will take on quite a bend, and a 10-12 incher will actually make the rod throb but there's enough power to land the big ones in the butt of that blank. My largest to date was the one that popped that rod's cherry - a fat 18 inch 'bow.





At $30 it's worth picking up one of those blanks to mess around with in addition to the glass rods. If you get the glass blank and build a rod, or get a built rod from ARE, please post your thoughts on it.
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I have/had both the ARE IM6 11'2/3 and the Echo Glass 10'6". I sold the Echo. The Echo is a #3 weight on the spey scale the ARE IM6 is a 2/3 on the single hand scale. The ARE 11' 2/3 is like a 0/1 on the spey scale.

Can't speak about the ARE glass switch rods/blanks. However I did order an ARE 7' 4 weight glass single hander last spring and returned the rod. The action was just way to fast for a 4 weight, I'd say more like a 6 weight. Don't know if the ARE glass switches are fast or not.

The ARE 11' 2/3 in IM6 is a beautiful stick for ultra light.
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Also, forgot to mention I also have the ARE 12' 2/3 IM6 and it's a sweet stick also. I would say that it is a true 2/3 on the spey scale.

I'm an ARE fan and have in IM6 the following:

11' 2/3
11' 3/4
12' 2/3
12' 5/6
13' 7/8
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Thanks for the insights guys. Your comments have actually made me second guess what I thought I knew. I already use my cabela's czn 3wt to swing the little stuff. I think I may go with the glass 11' 2/3 rod as long as it is rated on the Spey scale. If not, I will get the IM6 12' 2/3.

I will definitely post my findings if I hear anything good from ARE or Steve Godshall, and when I take the rod out.

Tight lines till then

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I don't know what "ARE" is, tried to google it. I Like to swing wets on my ACR 11'7" 4wt (250gms) Throw a 230 scandal short, trout polyleader, point and two dropper leader. Full flex, good loading rod, good recovery. Not sure what you expect from a glass rod. Are you looking for the full flex feel? relaxed slower tempo ? Will glass have additional weight ?

Look at all of the options, better yet try different rods out - that may take time but may be worth it to avoid having another rod in the closet. We all have a few.
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A.R.E. is Anglers Roost Enterprises, and he sells cheap import blanks, IM6 have a decent rep, but have heard the UHM1 blanks have quality issues. I am currently building one of his Glass 13 ft 7/8.

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I do have the ARE Glass 11' 2/3, and while I don't have the Echo Glass 3106, I do have the bigger brother, the 4108. The 4wt is a total surfer on sub 14" fish and the 3wt obviously would be better. I've thought about selling the 4 and getting the 3, but I don't think I'd be as pleased as I have been with the ARE.

I haven't talked to SPG about the ARE Glass so I don't know much about the stiff tip issues or his opinions. I built mine and I can attest that there are some quality control issues that come with getting a blank (ferrule fitting, "gunk" in the blank, etc). If I broke this one I'd likely just pick up one of the factory builds - it's so cheap.

The lines that work for me on the ARE 11' 2/3 are 1) Wulff Ambush 4wt 195gr, 2) for soft hackle work 35' of 5wt DT that should be around 165-170gr to 40' being around 190gr, and 3) for a skagit line I've been using an Extra Heavy MOW tip floater (180gr) with 5' of T-8 or 11.

The Ambush and the MOW tip as a skagit have been the most fun since the rod just launches. In my mind it's a true spey 2/3. I have landed fish in the 10-18" range on it - the 10's were fun, the 18" brown was a riot. For the smaller quarry around my parts I reach for this rod-

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A.R.E. 11ft 2/3 wt

I have both the A.R.E. 11ft 2/3 wt and the echo SR 3 wt. I prefer the faster action of the Echo. I did a test where I put the cork grips under the foot rest of a chair (rods about a 40 degree angle) Then I added 1/8 ounce jig heads to the end of both rods for a side by side comparison. (added one at a time) The ARE had a deeper bend than the echo. It also bent over farther with the same amount of weight.

If you are interested in the ARE rod. I am willing to part with it for a deal of a price. I built the rod myself. It has batson cork grips, the grips alone set me back $53. I will let the rod go for $60 shipped to your door with the homemade pvc rod tube. That is paypal of course.

This is not the glass rod and not the new faster carbon fiber blank.

If you would like a few pics I can get some up in the next couple days for send me your email address and I will send the to you.

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