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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 10-26-2015, 08:10 PM Thread Starter
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Sage Trout Spey Retail Pricing Confusion

I noticed for some time, the retail pricing posted on various web sites for the new Sage Trout Spey rods is $1,050. If you go to the Sage web site they are listed at $950 and can be purchased directly from Sage.

Well, the early issued 2016 Sage dealer catalog and Far Bank confidential price list has MSRP of $1,050. All of the remainder 5wt - 8wt Sage 11'6" ONE switch rods are $950

My local fly shop checked the amount charged to them for their Trout Spey inventory by the Far Bank computer and it was at the $950 MSRP amount.

The rep was called and is checking this out with Far Bank.

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the two handed trout 2 & 3 wt spry is 950
the switch all weights 950
two handed spey 5 & up are 1050

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Don't even bother , call Gary Anderson about trout speys! He has put more time into R&D on these light sticks and knows the deal on trout! A far better value and much more pleasing to the eye!
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Don't even bother , call Gary Anderson about trout speys! He has put more time into R&D on these light sticks and knows the deal on trout! A far better value and much more pleasing to the eye!
Gary's 1173 rocks. Not even looking at others...
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The fanboys always jump on posts with other rod manuf. being discussed.

Gary Anderson makes nice looking rods, I have cast several.

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I like the idea that ACR makes a custom rod and tunes them with a short belly line for a price way below SAGE. I have one (trout 3wt) on order takes at least 8 weeks. The SAGE prices are up there. I remember when I puchased a SAGE VXP 12'6" 7wt for $530 are few years back, approaching/breaking the 1k barrier on a SAGE, I'm not so shure.
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It is all about personal choices.
I will most likely get roasted for the following:
After 24+ years with TH rods including teaching casting and consulting with a USA rod manufacturer these are my opinions. My teaching partner has over 30 years experience with Spey rods.

We have many choices for low priced rods made in Asia and others in the mid to high priced range from individuals who assemble rods in the USA and Europe and use imported blanks. All of these rod are an important contribution to the Spey rod market and fish very well.

Note that a custom cork assembly or fancy reel seat does not make a great performing rod.

Cast the rods side by side with correctly balanced lines, for your casting style,,, if the $1,000 do not have any improvement in performance,,, it is a waste of money.
If the $1,000+ rods from Loomis, T&T, Sage and others did not perform exceptionally better, they would not be in business.

My partners and I have rods from TFO, Echo, Mystic, Redington and others for use by students who do not have the budget for the high end rods. They fish very well and are great for back up rods in the future.

With every posting discussing the higher priced rods,, we have FAN BOYS jumping in with “buy my rod from XYZ custom maker,,, it is cheaper”,,,,, did you cast your rod side by side with any others prior to purchase or only read the internet glowing reports with photos?

One curious observation, how can a rod assembler determine the best or correct line for a rod without observing you casting the rod?
We have many students arrive at a class (max 5 students with 2-3 instructors) with a new rod. They are given line set ups to cast for light, medium and heavy within the grain window.
The student and instructor discuss which line weight feels best and casts best for the individual. The line weights will also change as a student becomes more experienced and skill level allows timing changes to develop and improve. This is done for both Scani and Skagit types of lines which is what the new casters want for immediate fishing.

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It is all about personal choices.
I will most likely get roasted for the following:
After 24+ years with TH rods including teaching casting and consulting with a USA rod manufacturer these are my opinions. My teaching partner has over 30 years experience with Spey rods.

We have many choices for low priced rods made in Asia and others in the mid to high priced range from individuals who assemble rods in the USA and Europe and use imported blanks. All of these rod are an important contribution to the Spey rod market and fish very well.

Note that a custom cork assembly or fancy reel seat does not make a great performing rod.

Cast the rods side by side with correctly balanced lines, for your casting style,,, if the $1,000 do not have any improvement in performance,,, it is a waste of money.
If the $1,000+ rods from Loomis, T&T, Sage and others did not perform exceptionally better, they would not be in business.

My partners and I have rods from TFO, Echo, Mystic, Redington and others for use by students who do not have the budget for the high end rods. They fish very well and are great for back up rods in the future.

With every posting discussing the higher priced rods,, we have FAN BOYS jumping in with “buy my rod from XYZ custom maker,,, it is cheaper”,,,,, did you cast your rod side by side with any others prior to purchase or only read the internet glowing reports with photos?

One curious observation, how can a rod assembler determine the best or correct line for a rod without observing you casting the rod?
We have many students arrive at a class (max 5 students with 2-3 instructors) with a new rod. They are given line set ups to cast for light, medium and heavy within the grain window.
The student and instructor discuss which line weight feels best and casts best for the individual. The line weights will also change as a student becomes more experienced and skill level allows timing changes to develop and improve. This is done for both Scani and Skagit types of lines which is what the new casters want for immediate fishing.

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FK
Bang on. I am sure there are many great rods out there and we all like different rods and styles. Trying rods can be difficult as we don't all have shops close by who can offer that facility. I happen to like the Sage one range. I have tried quite a few and they are great. A friend of mine really likes the Loop Cross, another Hardy. I am sure cheaper rods are available but I am having a great time on the water and that's all that counts.
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It is all about personal choices.
I will most likely get roasted for the following:
After 24+ years with TH rods including teaching casting and consulting with a USA rod manufacturer these are my opinions. My teaching partner has over 30 years experience with Spey rods.

We have many choices for low priced rods made in Asia and others in the mid to high priced range from individuals who assemble rods in the USA and Europe and use imported blanks. All of these rod are an important contribution to the Spey rod market and fish very well.

Note that a custom cork assembly or fancy reel seat does not make a great performing rod.

Cast the rods side by side with correctly balanced lines, for your casting style,,, if the $1,000 do not have any improvement in performance,,, it is a waste of money.
If the $1,000+ rods from Loomis, T&T, Sage and others did not perform exceptionally better, they would not be in business.

My partners and I have rods from TFO, Echo, Mystic, Redington and others for use by students who do not have the budget for the high end rods. They fish very well and are great for back up rods in the future.

With every posting discussing the higher priced rods,, we have FAN BOYS jumping in with “buy my rod from XYZ custom maker,,, it is cheaper”,,,,, did you cast your rod side by side with any others prior to purchase or only read the internet glowing reports with photos?

One curious observation, how can a rod assembler determine the best or correct line for a rod without observing you casting the rod?
We have many students arrive at a class (max 5 students with 2-3 instructors) with a new rod. They are given line set ups to cast for light, medium and heavy within the grain window.
The student and instructor discuss which line weight feels best and casts best for the individual. The line weights will also change as a student becomes more experienced and skill level allows timing changes to develop and improve. This is done for both Scani and Skagit types of lines which is what the new casters want for immediate fishing.

Regards,
FK
Good advise, unfortunately I was not able to cast rods side by side, just don't live in a place where many spey rods are sold. However I did read reviews before I purchased my custom rods, I even spoke to the Luther to discuss what I was looking for in a rod and my preference for a full action rod. I did get exactly what I wanted. I think there is value add to talk the craft with the maker than buy off the shelf. I sometimes feel that this fast action marketing is driven by expert/professional casters and about line speed. I'm not in that class, I like the good old days of relaxed casting and the feel that rod is doing the work. The shops that I have visited in Steelhead Country are selling from the rack and advising loading up 2wt over the label. Don't get me wrong I do have rods from the rack, most of them are rods from many years back (IM6 and prior) they are my most treasured rods because they do the work based on my style. I compensate for line speed by increasing the line weight. E=MC(2).

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I noticed for some time, the retail pricing posted on various web sites for the new Sage Trout Spey rods is $1,050. If you go to the Sage web site they are listed at $950 and can be purchased directly from Sage.

Well, the early issued 2016 Sage dealer catalog and Far Bank confidential price list has MSRP of $1,050. All of the remainder 5wt - 8wt Sage 11'6" ONE switch rods are $950

My local fly shop checked the amount charged to them for their Trout Spey inventory by the Far Bank computer and it was at the $950 MSRP amount.

The rep was called and is checking this out with Far Bank.

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Cripes - if the fly shop was charged MSRP for the rods - they're going to have to retail them at $1300 to make a decent profit off of them. One would think that if they're mandating sale price at MSRP - then the shop would *only* be paying in the ball park of $600 per or maybe a bit less - to allow for the shop to actually stay in business and turn a profit on the item being sold.

It's also kind of a drag when a manufacturer decides to compete with their vendors by selling direct to the public - not that I am against direct to public sales - but if you're going to sell directly, why bother with a vendor chain whom you're going to undercut price wise? You're going to wind up alienating your vendors or customers at some point.

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