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Hey guys I am looking into building this rod in the near future but have a few questions for people who may have already used this rod. I tried searching for info on line pairing with this rod but I couldnt find much, Ill be using it to swing soft hackles and small streamers on rivers where there is limited room behind and overhead. So I am pretty sure I want to use an ambush line but I am unsure which one might be a better fit, there's the 4wt(195 gr, middle of grain window) and there's the 5wt(215 gr, upper end of grain window), anyone have experience with either line? or other recommendations?

I also want to be using polyleaders to get my flies down, so I would like to use the 10' salmon/steelhead type if possible so I can also use the leaders on a steelhead rig. Is this feasible? or might the leaders be too heavy?

Another option that has sparked some interest lately is the new trout skagits from OPST and RIO, do these heads require the use of a T-type tip or can they be cast with polyleaders or even straight mono?

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Since you're planning on chucking lighter flies I might consider the 195 grain line. They both fall in the skagit range for that rod, though, so either would probably work fine.

I built the uhm 11' 3/4 and had steve make an integrated scandi for nymphing. He made it at 225 grains, right at the top end of the scandi recommendation for that rod, and it is wonderful. A nice rod for nymphing and stillwater indi fishing and stripping streamers. One thing I do have to say is the uhm blanks are quite fast and don't have the nice relaxed flex of the older IM6 blanks and might not make that nice a rod for casting a line with more of a skagit profile. If I was building a rod for swinging softies I would consider the IM6 blanks. Steve said the new sage green IM6 9' 10" 4 weight is an awesome little trout two hander. That's the next rod I'm building.

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Since you're planning on chucking lighter flies I might consider the 195 grain line. They both fall in the skagit range for that rod, though, so either would probably work fine.

I built the uhm 11' 3/4 and had steve make an integrated scandi for nymphing. He made it at 225 grains, right at the top end of the scandi recommendation for that rod, and it is wonderful. A nice rod for nymphing and stillwater indi fishing and stripping streamers. One thing I do have to say is the uhm blanks are quite fast and don't have the nice relaxed flex of the older IM6 blanks and might not make that nice a rod for casting a line with more of a skagit profile. If I was building a rod for swinging softies I would consider the IM6 blanks. Steve said the new sage green IM6 9' 10" 4 weight is an awesome little trout two hander. That's the next rod I'm building.
I have the im6 11' 2/3 and its a super slow noodle. Do the UMH rods make a nice little scandi stick? If so, how light can you line them?

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when I talked to Steve he said he wasn't happy with the flex on the uhm rods, I just assumed he had a hand in their design, but i could be wrong. I think my little 11" 3/4 is a nice scandi stick, but certainly not great. Most of the flex is toward the tip and it takes a good load to make the rod flex much beyond the top two sections. A 12 inch trout can put a pretty decent bend in it however, and it still has power to turn an 18 incher. All in all an ok scandi stick for the money and a lot of fun with medium sized trout. If you're interested I have a short video I shot of me casting it that I could post if you want to see how it casts and flexes.
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So the IM6 is a super slow noodle, and the UHM is a super fast stick... Im torn, and wishing there was something in between.

Peteo- The sage green IM6 9' 10" 4wt sounds interesting, I assume it would have a similar flex to the other IM6 blanks? I wouldnt mind seeing that video, Ive never seen one of these cast before.
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I don't think I'd call the uhm blanks super fast, just more flex in the top couple sections than most two handers I've cast in the light trout spey category. If you're a scandi guy I think you'll like these blanks, but if you're more of a skagit guy you might not be as pleased. I really like my rod, but I built it with nymphing in mind, so I wanted a rod that wasn't a noode so I could stack mend and high stick with it. It is extremely light, and is lighter in hand than all my 8 to 9 foot single handers. I will try and post that video when I get some time, maybe later tonight.

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Well I couldn't find that video but I did have this other video from the first time I took the rod out. It's more a fishing video than a casting video, it's a little grainy and doesn't show the rod flexing very well when I cast but you get the idea. You do kind of get to see it flex on the last trout I hook. I put a WF7 on the rod because it fit in the grain window, it casts ok at 40 feet, but doesn't turn over anything like the line Steve made for it. I don't really shoot video very often, my wife is just sometimes curious what I'm actually doing down in those canyons all by myself, so don't expect much.

I'm going to try and post a link. We'll see how it goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyfaApF-Wo

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Well I couldn't find that video but I did have this other video from the first time I took the rod out. It's more a fishing video than a casting video, it's a little grainy and doesn't show the rod flexing very well when I cast but you get the idea. You do kind of get to see it flex on the last trout I hook. I put a WF7 on the rod because it fit in the grain window, it casts ok at 40 feet, but doesn't turn over anything like the line Steve made for it. I don't really shoot video very often, my wife is just sometimes curious what I'm actually doing down in those canyons all by myself, so don't expect much.

I'm going to try and post a link. We'll see how it goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyfaApF-Wo
Cool! I'll check it out when I'm back on WiFi! Thanks

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Peter, I think it is a great video, no need to apologise. So many ones on youtube with higher "production" value a just full of "dead air". In your case it looks like you didn't even have to edit to have some action every few seconds! Jealous.
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