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5 or 6 wt on Missouri river in MT

So Im trying to add another DH rod to my trout arsenal. I have a sage 4116. I will be using the rod primarily on the Missouri river near Craig MT. Looking at getting either a 5 or 6 wt 12'6" ( maybe a 11'6") to use when its windy or for throwing big streamers/wets. Would a 6 wt be over kill for trout???
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-27-2015, 01:53 AM
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Yes would b my guess

Try the TFO DC 4/5 or the Meiser version which is what the TFO. Is based off of. It's wonderful. When you get over 300 grains for trout, even big trout, it's not much fun . . . For them or you

This is my favorite Rod. It can haul a cast on a 275 grain out to 80+ feet with a dry fly. It handles heavy cone heads fine too when required.
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I use a 12' 6" 6 wt for steelhead. It's too much for trout.

For trout spey's I have and use 12' 6" 3/4/5 Meiser C and an ACR 11' 7" 3 wt. The Meiser, IMHO, is a really strong rod and I've handled smaller steelhead on it as well as trout. Truthfully this rod sometimes is too much for trout and half pounders. I use a 293 gr SGS scandi head and poly leaders/mono leaders.

The ACR is much more of a trout spey. Trout and half pounders are great fun on it. Casting in the wind can be tricky but I do it regularly. I've never hooked a steelhead on this rod. I'm not sure how that will work out but I'm eager to find out. I use a 255 gr SGS head which is heavy for this rod.

I would suggest talking with Meiser, Godshall and Anderson about trout speys. Gary and Bob make some great trout spey but their rods have a very different character. Both are good in their own unique way. I will never part with either of these rods.
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So Im trying to add another DH rod to my trout arsenal. I have a sage 4116. Would a 6 wt be over kill for trout??
not at all ! in fact, i use my old style burkie 7127 (basically a 6) w/ 390 scandi or rio 430gr shorthead chopped for tips most anytime i'm throwing streamers there. in 40+ degree water, most of those big fish will bend the rod to the cork and take line. a stronger rod will handle heavier flies, be better in the wind, shortens the fight time, and makes hand landing sooo much easier. a very good thing for the fish. you already have yer small fly/ calm day rod. who cares how a 15" fish bends the rod with so many big fish around btw, the new 6128 burkie was designed around exactly that scenario. same price point as a ONE, w better cork and fit/finish. they also sell blanks. as soon as they build a 6139 i'll fish it there too

i use the same rod for small steelhead, most people cant comprehend a fishery w/ trout of that caliber.


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Opinions vary and so do rods. I'm in the up to 5 weight trout spey camp...with some exceptions.

My go to light trout speys are the Anderson 11'7" 3 and 4 weights. If needing more umph for size of offerings or wind issues an 11'5" Burkie with a grain window from 330 to 410+ can handle any trout that I run into... including some smaller steelhead. However I have added a 12'6" 6 wt for mid-bellies, less stripping in cold windy weather.
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Man, the Missouri is a big river with lots of options, even if based in Craig. For most uses a 4-5 weight switch is probably adequate. However, if you have a way of fishing right below Hauser dam (not Holter) then deep streamer fishing is a whole different game. Many locals use an eight weight SH there and use a Teeny 200gr to fish streamers like Kelly's sex dungeon and barely legal. Thirty years ago I think it was Gary LaFontaine who wrote an article about being so frustrated with the big fish right below the dam that he brought his twelve weight along and said he wasn't the first to do so. When I fish there I use a SH 8 so that would mean a 6 or 6/7 weight switch wouldn't be out of line at all. The biggest rainbow I've seen landed there was 27.5" but I know they get bigger. That's approaching steelhead size. Between the current, the wind, the size of the fish, and the size of the fly you're throwing, an 8 weight single or an equivalent switch is not out of line at all.
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Man, the Missouri is a big river with lots of options, even if based in Craig. For most uses a 4-5 weight switch is probably adequate. However, if you have a way of fishing right below Hauser dam (not Holter) then deep streamer fishing is a whole different game. Many locals use an eight weight SH there and use a Teeny 200gr to fish streamers like Kelly's sex dungeon and barely legal. Thirty years ago I think it was Gary LaFontaine who wrote an article about being so frustrated with the big fish right below the dam that he brought his twelve weight along and said he wasn't the first to do so. When I fish there I use a SH 8 so that would mean a 6 or 6/7 weight switch wouldn't be out of line at all. The biggest rainbow I've seen landed there was 27.5" but I know they get bigger. That's approaching steelhead size. Between the current, the wind, the size of the fish, and the size of the fly you're throwing, an 8 weight single or an equivalent switch is not out of line at all.
Wow, great point and example. Now I'm totally and utterly jealous. So if I wasn't hard up enough to get out that way as it is, I'm frothing at the mouth. I'm waiting for my daughter to turn of age (7-10) before hauling her out west.
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My Winston BIIITH 6110 is fine for trout and half pounders but, it also feels more like a 5 than a 6 wt. On the other hand the BIIX 6126 would be overkill and it feels like a 7 wt.
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I have 2 -5/6 12 ft. 6" TFO Deer creek rods. One with a 360 scandi versa tip and one with a 420 skagit with tips. The rod feels like it has a soft top end which makes it bend really well with small trout but has enough jam to toss 70 to 80 ft of line, plus leader,easily, off the shore. Standing in the water so that you can get a better set up will allow for more distance. Wet tips 8 to 10 ft of leader with bigger flies and approx. 15 ft of leader with smaller flies. I love it. I fish the upper Columbia. I figure it is a an excellent trout rod.
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anything over a 4wt is overkill for trout. i fish a 12'9 6wt as my primary steelhead kit. I will fish my 11'7 4wt to them as well. I can cast huge flies on the 11'7 4wt, couldn't imagine wanting more for trout??? But then again, I fish to 20 inch trout with my trusty 0wt and a silk line and have stepped up to double figure fish with a 2wt in hand. To each their own, certain conditions can demand a bit more, so as always, it depends.

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I would agree a 5-6 is overkill for trout , my 2hand trouters are a 2 & 4 wt. if you are stuck on getting a 5-6 ,give Gary a call and ask him about his ACR 1255. This rod will punch it through the wind, cast big bugs on tips and yet still has a light enough tip to have fun with 15" trout. For grains on this 5wt. a 340gr. Scandi and 360gr. Skagit will get things done.
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"anything over a 4wt is overkill for trout"

huh? obviously depends on where you're fishing and how heavy a fly and tip you're trying to deliver.

My go-to for trout on the Y-Stone is a 7110 with 425gr Skagit short...I'm usually swinging heavy sculpin patterns deep, in WINDY conditions, fairly long casts, and I'm trying to catch the biggest brown in the river...a lighter rod just isn't gonna cut it...

The OP wants to fish big stuff on the Missouri...big river, and it can be a real wind tunnel there...a 2-4wt isn't going to do the job....
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This is an interesting thread. Lot's of recommendations for smaller rod wt's for "trout", but when you ask the same question for summer steelhead most would say 6/7wt even though a steelhead is also just a rainbow "trout". If you are targeting, or tie into a fair number of incidental steelhead size trout you should probably use a rod appropriate for that size fish whether it has been to the ocean or not.

We sometimes fish a place with "trout" that can hit 10lb or more so why would I use a rod that I would not consider using for steelhead on these fish because they are merely "trout"? These are all catch-and-release fish so, while I may be able to land one on a 5/6 wt single hand rod by the time I get it landed I will be risking the survival of that fish. Just because it swam out of my hand on release does not mean it will survive. For me it's summer steelhead gear on this fishery. My .07 cents

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I would hate to be under gunned. And the Mo fishes just fine when it's windy as heck. Those fish are chunky and scrappy. When it's nice out throw the feather stick you already have.

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