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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-01-2015, 01:17 PM Thread Starter
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Echo SR 3wt line testing

I stopped by the river Friday with the intension of testing some lines for my Echo 3wt. I started off with a Beulah Tonic 300 grain switch, light(T8)MOW 7.5 floating 2.5 sinking tip, lazar 20 running line, 3 ft of 8# tippet with a small clouser with medium dumbbell eyes. Once I got the proper casting technique down I was doing pretty good, but I wasn't happy with the performance that I was getting from this set up.

I switched to a Rio 225 grain Skagit, 4IPS sinking polyleader, 3 ft of 8# tippet and a lightly weight fly. Once I changed my casting a little this set up was casting farther with less effort.

Final results, the 300 Skagit is castable and fishable, but there is not a lot distance with this set up. The 225 Skagit had more distance but was throwing a lighter tip and fly. Neither one of these set ups hit the sweet spot for me.

I want to test the 300 Skagit with the polyleaders or maybe the same set up as above with lighter fly. I would like to try a Skagit 250. I have a rio 210 scandi I would like to do some more testing. I guess with the SR being a faster rod it likes the scandi a better.

Has anyone else done any experimenting with the SR 3wt?


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A RIO Skagit Max Short 325 with an Airflo 10' intermediate poly and about 3' of 8# Maxima has handled anything from 3 inch bunny leeches with 1/8 oz cone heads to 5/32 oz clousers and similarly-weighted buggers.

I first tried a Skagit Max Short 275 and 300 (no T-8, though) but as you found, it wasn't ideal.

I also experimented with running line. First with Miracle Braid, then P-Line Floater 30lb, then the same in 50lb. Found that the P-line tended to twist quickly (probably b/c I'm using Skagit techniques instead of touch-and-go casts), especially the 30lb. Ended up settling on OPST Lazar in 30lb but am thinking of going up to the 40lb which is what I've lined the SR's cousing, the Glass 3106 with.

Of all the running lines the OPST has handled and shot the best. In calm to light wind (< 5 mph) I'm throwing any of the above flies 60-70 feet.

Now I just need someone to build an intermediate head in the 325-330 grain range and my beach setup would be complete!
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Now I just need someone to build an intermediate head in the 325-330 grain range and my beach setup would be complete!
Suggest you purchase a WF11 Intermediate salt water line and cut off the head.

AFFTA standard for WF11 is 330gr for the first 30ft.

Most of the line manuf. make WF Intermediate lines up to WF12.

I have the Echo SR 3106 and consider it a spey 3wt rod.
Scandi 240gr works great, have not tuned up with Skagit at this time.

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A RIO Skagit Max Short 325 with an Airflo 10' intermediate poly and about 3' of 8# Maxima has handled anything from 3 inch bunny leeches with 1/8 oz cone heads to 5/32 oz clousers and similarly-weighted buggers.

I first tried a Skagit Max Short 275 and 300 (no T-8, though) but as you found, it wasn't ideal.

I also experimented with running line. First with Miracle Braid, then P-Line Floater 30lb, then the same in 50lb. Found that the P-line tended to twist quickly (probably b/c I'm using Skagit techniques instead of touch-and-go casts), especially the 30lb. Ended up settling on OPST Lazar in 30lb but am thinking of going up to the 40lb which is what I've lined the SR's cousing, the Glass 3106 with.

Of all the running lines the OPST has handled and shot the best. In calm to light wind (< 5 mph) I'm throwing any of the above flies 60-70 feet.

Now I just need someone to build an intermediate head in the 325-330 grain range and my beach setup would be complete!
Red...I fish a LTS 6wt FHI on my 3wt switch and it works well. Its 308 grains full length. Its a single handed shooting head made for sea trout, but its Tapered just like a Scandi. I have good luck with it.
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I am starting to think this rod is just to heavy for the fish I am targeting.

I'm starting to have thoughts about selling or trading it for light single hand rod.


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Dan, what's the average size fish you're targeting? I have found it to be at home with fish 12" and up.

Nate, a few questions about your LTS:

1) What's the full head length?
2) Is it a clear intermediate? Camo? Solid?
3) How dramatic is the taper? I'm assuming it's gradual since you describe it to be like a Scandi.

The reasons for my questions:

1) I'm looking for a head that's 18-20 feet in length
2) Ideally, the head I'm looking for would be clear intermediate
3) Scandi-like tapers don't cut it for what I'll be doing with it; I need more of a Skagit/bullet taper


The 325-330 grain range in the specs above really is the sweet spot for me and my intended purposes. I haven't gone mad scientist with a WF14I (which I suspect would have the right grainage/length ratio for me) because I've tried cutting single hand lines before and found that the back end taper, coupled with my ineptitude in either welding loops or just using braided loops results in either too much hinging and/or trouble getting through the guides.

Sure, I could call Steve Godshall but I'd rather not go the custom line route.

Any way, if you know of any equipment that fits into the recs above, I'd be happy to hear about it!

Thanks!
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I think your going to have to give Steve a call, or go with a floating Skagit switch from Airflo
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I figured. I'm using a floating RIO SkagitMax Short right now in 325. Airflo only goes down to 360 on their switch head, unfortunately. I talked to the rep, though, and he intimated that they may release lower grain weights this spring and may even have floating/intermediate heads, too.

Fingers crossed that actually happens.
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I got out again today with the SR 3wt and I must admit. I am really happy with this rod and the way it cast for me.

First, I tried the Wulff Ambush 5. This line would've probably worked better with a poly leader on the end. I tried an indicator on the Ambush and it work pretty good. Could shoot some line but couldn't mend the line after the cast. To much running line laying on the water.

Then, I tried the Rio Skagit 225 with 10ft of T8 and a light weight fly. It worked pretty well, definetly fishable.


I tried a Rio 210 scandi with 20 lazar running line. For a while I only had the head out of rod tip. Didn't shoot line but a couple times and it shot pretty good. I am looking forward to swinging some soft hackles with it next month.

This might not be the perfect set up for anyone else, but it works for me.
As for the switch and spey rod grain window, I have found that my grain window can vary. Some lines work better than others but I seem to find a way to make it work unless it is totally the wrong line for the set up.

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I don't own this rod, i do own an 11'7" gary anderson 3wt, which he designed as a trout spey. His suggested grain window is 225-300. I fish 10' polys with smaller wet flies and dries on a 230grain scandi and love it. For small/medium wieghted streamers, muddlers and clousers i use the same set up with 260grain scandi head. I can shoot all the line i could possibly want with either head.

Looking on the echo/airflo site, the suggested grain window for the SR3106 is 150-210 grains, Skagits would be on the upper range. I would think anything over 250 grains may overload the rod or retard its performance.

Ultimately, if you have a sense of what your looking for, give Steve Godsall a call. You won't be disappointed, his prices are fair and his lines and line formula's are excellent.

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1st off, I really like this rod. I fish it on he Madison River & love this rod for swinging smaller crayfish patterns & streamers. I have tried many lines and like the Rio skagit short head 250 gr. and Airflow 10' Extra Fast (12 lb. core) sinking poly leader the best for my purposes. This head/leader combo really brings out the performance from this rod. I also like the Ambush 6 wt.

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1st off, I really like this rod. I fish it on he Madison River & love this rod for swinging smaller crayfish patterns & streamers. I have tried many lines and like the Rio skagit short head 250 gr. and Airflow 10' Extra Fast (12 lb. core) sinking poly leader the best for my purposes. This head/leader combo really brings out the performance from this rod. I also like the Ambush 6 wt.

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Lawrence - I have an Airflo Switch Float WF3.5F 240 grain line that I'd like you to try with this rod. Still experimenting with polyleaders, but liking it so far. Let's get out fishing for Hebgen spawners running up the Madison sometime soon!

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I revisited my Echo SR 3106 with some additional line casting.

Agree on the Ambush 6wt 235gr @ 18',,, very nice casting line with larger flies.
Works great with a 5'-7' Polyleader or short MOW tip.

The new OPST 175gr head with 7' Polyleader is very smooth for tight quarters.
Also tested the new RIO Skagit Trout in 250gr with MOW Light tips 2.5 & 5',,, will easily cast size 4 bunny/sculpin helmet flies.

I still prefer a Scandi 240gr line for long leaders and small wet flies.


It really is a 3wt spey line class rod, nice casting outfit for the low entry $ into trout spey.

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