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post #46 of 78 (permalink) Old 09-24-2015, 07:33 PM
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For the folks that went with the 3106 over the 4108, what's the biggest/heaviest flies you are throwing? I'm on the fence between the two sizes. I plan on primarily swing soft hackles to 12-16 in trout on my home waters, but make the occasional trip where I chuck #6 wooly buggers and sculpin patterns to 18 to 22" fish. I tend to not weight my streamers but rather get them down with sink tips when fishing SH.
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For the folks that went with the 3106 over the 4108, what's the biggest/heaviest flies you are throwing?


I will regularly throw buggers up to size 4 with a 4mm bead head using the 4 wt Ambush and an ultra green leader that is ~10' or with a sink tip if I know I will only be swinging.
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For the folks that went with the 3106 over the 4108, what's the biggest/heaviest flies you are throwing?


I will regularly throw buggers up to size 4 with a 4mm bead head using the 4 wt Ambush and an ultra green leader that is ~10' or with a sink tip if I know I will only be swinging.
Wow, that's impressive for a 3wt! When I get into #6 or bigger flies I typically go 6wt SH but may reconsider now. Thanks Joe!
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I did get the 3106 and paired it with the Airflo Switch Float and it's a blast. Currently using 10ft polyleaders and wondering if anyone has had success with 5ft polyleaders in short distance situations.
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I did get the 3106 and paired it with the Airflo Switch Float and it's a blast. Currently using 10ft polyleaders and wondering if anyone has had success with 5ft polyleaders in short distance situations.
After fishing this rod a bit more I have changed my mind about the #3 Airflo Switch Float. While it works great with soft hackles and small nymphs I find I need to have the whole head out plus several feet of over hang to get a proper cast. This is fine on larger waters, but on the medium width stuff I'm casting into the brush on the other side of the river. I think the Streamer Float with its shorter head would be much better for my intended use, but the smallest size in that line is a #4.

I'm currently debating either an OPST or Rio Skagit Max Short. Ben at OPST recommended their 150 gr head, but I'm not certain where to begin with the Rio (and they don't offer a rod specific recomendation). Their website lists the 250gr head for a 3wt. Red's Fly Shop sells the rod packaged with the 225 head. RedFive likes the 325 head on his 3wt while Kevin33 likes the 250. Anyone else using the Skagit Max short that can chime in?
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Hopefully not adding to the confusion, but I just lined the 3106 with a RIO Skagit Trout Max 250, mated to my usual 10' Airflo Intermediate Salmon/Steelhead poly leader. Booms out there and turns over 3 1/2 inch bunny strip flies with a bead head out to 55-65 feet. Running line is an old batch of Airflo Memory Release Mono in 30lb (yellow), although I'm probably going to switch to OPST Lazar 40lb.

The grains/foot of the Skagit Trout Max brings the overall grainage down but still maintains the same feel and "punch" I formerly experienced with the Skagit Max Short 325. You're looking at 22.72 grains/foot vs. the 16.25/foot of the Max Short 325. I think adding this dimension to head design is a game changer as it really syncs up better with shorter/switch rods.

If you go this route, you may see conflicting info about what grains are best suitable for your rod. I would suggest that you keep in mind that RIO's recommendations, for example, account for the addition for a light MOW tip or similar sink tip (or so I've been told). That said, a RIO light MOW tip is 90 grains so you'll want to consider your tip weight when figuring out what Trout Max head weight to go with. Since Poly's are 55-60 grains, I "color outside the lines" of standard reco's and add anywhere between 25-50 more grains.

Consequently, I did try an iMOW light with both a 200 and 225 Trout Max and preferred the 225 BUT, felt that the iMOW + Trout Max set was clunky.

This weekend I'm going to see how an OPST Commando in 275 (with a 10' Poly) works. I tried the 250 Commando and felt it to be a little light. Weird, because it pencils out at 18.5 grains/foot (more than the Max Short). Maybe the head length of the Max Short (20 feet) provides enough additional stick to balance out the lower grainage, but who knows.

I'll report back on how the 275 operates.
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I have the 4108 but have been toying with picking up the 3106. I use a 200gr OPST on the 4108 so I think Ben's spot on with his rec. It's where I'd start anyway-
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Update on the OPST Commando 275 on the 3106:

In short, Commando 275 + 3106 = Awesome. 60-70 foot casts with a 3 inch bunny fly on the end of a 10' intermediate poly leader were no problem.

To be clear, I wasn't employing any touch and go casts, just skagit casts (perry poke, snap T, c-spey) so for you TNG casting folks, 275 probably sounds too heavy for your taste. Please bear the employed technique in mind when considering the Commando in this grainage.
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Mentioned previously that I've been casting the 3106 with an Airflo Switch Float WF3.5F 240 grains, using 5-10 ft polyleaders, mostly with soft hackles and small streamers. Still liking this combination, but now have also tried an OPST Commando head 175 grains, also with polyleaders and similar flies, with quite good results as well. Given the range of comments in this thread, it seems clear that these glass rods have a pretty wide grain window, accommodating a wide range of lines and casting styles.

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I've played with both the 200&225gr Rio Trout Max heads on the 3106 and really like the combination of the 225gr and light MOW tips. It is a good combination for light streamers, but I think it's too aggressive for smaller soft hackles. I've tried the Switch Float and wasn't overly impressed but didn't give it the time or conditions it deserved.

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Loaded my 3wt with Wulff Ambush 4wt (195 grns) and found it good for 50/50 overhead and spey casts. Paired with Martin 72 multiplier. Heavy. yes, but it balances rod well and picks up running line like crazy.
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After reading this thread, I returned to again test cast the Echo Glass 3106 with the new lines we have available.

Ambush 4wt (195gr) and Polyleader floating,,, very nice casting, smooth out to 60-70ft, more than suitable.

RIO Scandi Short 180gr and mono leader, also nice smooth casting with decent distance.
RIO Scandi Short 210gr,,, for me this line is too heavy for long mono leaders,, much prefer the 180gr.

RIO Trout LT in WF5F & WF6F,,, both were fine Spey TH and overhead TH.

This little rod has a very wide grain window,,, must be due to the deep flexing glass construction.

As reported many like 250-275 gr Skagit Ultra short heads with MOW tips.

Purchased the rod for True Micro Spey (under 200gr) line casting.

I have a full set of both the RIO and OPST heads and will match up to my casting style.

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hei guys and girls

i bin trying some heads now and i just bring me a OPST commando head with me from a flyfishing fair in germany. 150 grain + MOW tip light 2,5/7,5 and 5/5 works best. i think if you like to use verse leaders and light poles then the 200 grain will be better.

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does anyone have any new input on these rods?
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I'm debating picking up the 3106 since I already have a 5wt switch. I've read all through the posts and there hasn't been any new info from anybody's experience recently. Airflo has a new line called the scout? Has anyone tried this one yet?

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