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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-09-2015, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Favorite Grain Windows for 18-24" Trout

Rather than ask the "what rod works best for X trout?", I thought I'd ask what grain window folks like. I know a lot of us have TH 3 and 4 wts - and it seems like those are somewhat dialed in grain-wise across the board, but from what I've noticed, rods labeled 5 wts are sometimes all over the map. At least to me anyways.

So what's everyone's favorite grain window for the bigger boys? Scandi and skagit.
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18' - 24" trout

I've been doing the trout spey thing for a long time & I have gone down from 350gr. - 420gr. to 250 - 325gr. over the past 10 years as my regular shooting head weights. SO - 250 - 325gr. skagit & skandi lines are a good window for trout in my opinion. If I am casting T-11 or T-14 + large sculpins or baitfish patterns I might go up to 350 - 375 gr.

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I like 5wt Spey rods for trout fishing with larger flies and longer distances.

Scandi 300-320gr

Skagit 350-360gr

Most of the rods today with a rod numbered as 5wt Spey fit that grain widow,

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Im with Fkrow. Those numbers look spot on for 5 wt th rods.


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Here where I'm at swingng for trout a bit smaller. 12-20" fish. That said anything over 275 skagit and its overkill big time as far as rod power & fish handeling capabilities. Only need bigger if the rod/line can't handle the tips & flys your trying to throw IMO.
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I'm throwing 5/6 12'-6" TFO with a 360 gr. Scandi. Even a 16 inch rainbow puts a good bend in the rod.
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Here where I'm at swingng for trout a bit smaller. 12-20" fish. That said anything over 275 skagit and its overkill big time as far as rod power & fish handeling capabilities. Only need bigger if the rod/line can't handle the tips & flys your trying to throw IMO.
I find the 325 grain Rio Switch Chucker on my Scott T3H 1064 works nicely. It has power punch into the wind and throw larger flies BUT it feels "heavy" on the rod during the 'fishing ' part. Can anyone recommend an line favoured for more delicate casts... Swinging small soft hackles,for example?
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I find the 325 grain Rio Switch Chucker on my Scott T3H 1064 works nicely. It has power punch into the wind and throw larger flies BUT it feels "heavy" on the rod during the 'fishing ' part. Can anyone recommend an line favoured for more delicate casts... Swinging small soft hackles,for example?
In my experience with many of today's trout spey rods,,, most 4 wt rods like a Scandi line in the 270-280gr range. This line with a leader of 1.5x the rod length, will be much lighter casting wrt the RIO Switch Chucker line.

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I use a 300gr scandi for soft hackles on a DH #4 11'9 and a chucker #4 325gr on my 5wt dually switch for light streamers.
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I owned and fished the Echo DH 4119 for many years,,, it is a great casting rod that falls outside the average 4wt. The rod really likes a 300gr Scandi and in fact the same generation Echo DH 5122 5wt is softer and deeper flexing with the same 300gr line.

I also like the RIO Switch Chucker design and have most of the line weights for my shorter rods, great for larger heavy flies.

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A lot of good info here. I was curious about what the consensus would be.

I run a few 4wt switches, and while I've been happy with that, I occasionally fish areas that have me undergunned - both in hot fish and size of streamers. I'll have to get after something that will toss in the neighborhood of 325-350 grains.
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I'm throwing 5/6 12'-6" TFO with a 360 gr. Scandi. Even a 16 inch rainbow puts a good bend in the rod.
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Well, that's good to hear, as I've recently acquired the 4/5 in the same model, throwing a 240 gr. Scandi. I think an average bluegill will bend this rod to the cork!!

As to the original post, FK touched on two rods I own as well. The 4 and 5 wt. Dechos.

I've never tried anything but a 300 gr. Scandi on the 4, but it does behave quite nicely with that.

With the 5, I started out with a 360 gr. Scandi on it, and it handled that wonderfully. Tried some heavier Skagit style tapers, and she just didn't like them. Tried the 300 gr. Scandi on her, and she came to life again! Now the 360 is cut back a bit to accommodate turning over some larger flies and heavier sinking poly's. Still dialing it all in, but I think I'm on the right track!

I posted this to somewhat illustrate that unfortunately, rods are all over the place sometimes, as far as what they like to throw, as well as the caster themselves. If you would have asked me a year ago, what's the best Scandi for the 5, I would have said the 360. Today, I would recommend the 300.

Experiment with what you have in the quiver already. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised with the results.

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I am running an SGS rod and line.
11'8" #4 spey power with a 315 gr. scandi head.

I am really into this setup. Has a nice friendly feel to it.
I think it will cover a lot of fishing scenarios.
Big thanks to Steve G. for helping me on the spey journey.
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Woohoo!

From the moment I caught my first trout(char) on a lighter (6110) at the time rod I have been hooked. Living in BC I am blessed with an abundance of fishing opportunities but chasing trout/char is tops.

I have 2 set-ups currently (3d is in the mail) and before I describe them I must state I enjoy throwing MEAT to these fish.

Sage z-axis 6110 throwing a 375 skagit short. 10' tips of T-10 - T-14 for sea-run bulls 18"-24"+

Or I use a 360 Scandi for summers.

For all my other trout (char) I've been using a sage ONE 4116.

325 gr skagit short and 10' of T-8

It is my go too for bulls and trout of the resident variety are concerned.

For smaller fish or flies I use the 275 gr Scandi short.

I'm so glad this sub-forum was created!!!

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Glad the Z 6110 is working out for you Frenchie.

The sweet spot for my trout and grayling fishing is 240-280 grains, which I use on an Anderson 11'7" 3 weight and a Beulah Classic 10'6" 4/5 weight with much pleasure.
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