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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old 12-19-2014, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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What length by wt. should trout speys be?

I took a Sage 000 3pc. blank-7'10" and added a small spey handle for a total of 9'2". that liked 119 grains. lightest fishing rod to date from me. But I have also built a 8'9" spey that liked 325 grains for a 5 year girl who wanted to fish like Mommy and Daddy. I also have some customers that like my 15' 5 wt. So the question is what length and weights make sense ?
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Gary, just my call.

Worth .02 cents. A trout spey has to be at 11 foot to be effective for casting. Have one at 10.5 and questionable.




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My trout spey preferred length is 11'6" to 12'6" with grain weights from 250 to 350 with scandi.

That said now considering a longer trout spey that can handle longer lines with less stripping in cold weather conditions. Any thoughts on longer lines with a 5 weight?

current lineup:
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11'7" -4wt
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I would say it depends on how big your river is and how far you need to cast and of course how big your trout are cuz there are trout and then there are TROUT!

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Hi Gary,

I've seen a lot of variations but some that stick out for me are my Beulah Platinum switch 6wt at 10'4" and it casts scandi and skagit heads like a dream. I actually cast this much better than my 11'7" 5wt. Another variation on lengths that I've seen is Ed Ward's video on youtube of him casting his micro skagit lines with OPST here. That rod is a 4/5 weight and comes in at 9'. The casting is simply amazing to watch in that video.

Also seen some trout speys featured on 2handedtrout, one being the 3wt 11'9" spey you made.

Anyways I'm sure you knew about these rod/weight comparisons since you know a thing or two about fly rods, but to make this long story short I feel like I prefer fishing the shorter rods when is comes to the lighter weight rods and trout. Though there is so much personal preference in this sport that I can only speak for myself. Also a disclaimer; I am no expert and this is just my 2’.

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Length 11' - 12'. I think line weight is more important however. An 8 inch trout might be able to put a bend in a rod but it can't pull against a 350 grain skagit head. When I was on the Bighorn this past fall 16 inch fish had a tough time putting up a decent fight on a 350 grain line. Yes the rod bent but all I could think about is that skagit head was like the inflatable barrels they use when harpooning sharks. There is so much resistance on the line the fish has no chance. I think true trout speys have to be in the 150 - 250 range. This would be for most trout for enormous size fish you can use the larger grain weights. The 11' footer I use now (rated as a 3/4 for single hand) casts a 225 grain line real nice and a 15' trout actually bends the rod into the cork. The longer the rod the stiffer the butt needs to be to support the tip. (I'm not a rod maker but this is my experience), so shorter is better.
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It would be nice to see some rod designers building some ultra light 13 or 14 footers in the 200-300 grain range! I fish a 12 foot 2/3 A.R.E at 250 grains which is great but a longer stick would be a blast. Problem is you'd be strapped for finding a line with the appropriate length, taper and weight to get the job done. I'm sure Godshall would be able to build something up.
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Hmmmm,

I can see myself using rods from 12' to 16' for trout. A light 14' 3/4wt. Would be wonderful. Find myself fishing trout on the same runs as steelhead and needing at least as much line control/mending, if not more, fishing for trout. And like I plugged for last week when I bought that 8/9 Nova last, a 14' 6wt. Would be just the ticket for BIG trout and summer steelhead!
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Based on Ed's video, I put together two rods. These were previously back up rods. One a 9' 4wt and a 9' 5wt. I added a bottom handle to each. I can comfortably fish 70' of line on each. I experimented with lines. I've used a 210 rio scandi and a Beulah 250 elixir on the 4wt. I've used a 250 gr rio Skagit max short and a 290 gr Ambush for the 5wt. The 4 wt is perfect for wets and soft hackles and the 5 wt is perfect for small streamers with light tips. Of course my home waters are fairly small. IMHO length is a function of distance needed.
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I would say it depends on how big your river is and how far you need to cast
I second this. Seems silly to use a 11' or 12' rod if the river isn't really wide. I think for myself I'd use spey casts with a single hander as you'd be fishing fairly close to yourself. My skagit head is 20' plus 12-15' of leader and 11' of rod, that would get me almost all the way across a small trout stream without having to shoot anything. That being said, I would start at 11' for a 3wt and 4wt then 11'6" for a 5wt

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Far from an expert, but I fish an 11 2/3 I built up and really like that length. I can cast plenty far enough to cast across the most streams I usually fish. Plus there were times this fall fishing a smaller stream that has a landlocked salmon run that I thought I should bring this rod out because of the awesome line control I get with the length. Also agree that line weight is key - I fish a line that SGS built for the rod that is somewhere between 200 and 250 grains if memory serves, and it is light enough so that you don't have the line basically fighting the fish by itself (as mentioned above) on a 16" fish. My 2 cents ...
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I would have to agree about river size ,fish size , fly size and currents. For the rivers I fish trout, a 119 grainer in the 11' +/- size would be great for a true trouter. Question! Will it handle any type of tips? When you get into the bigger trout waters and want to offer something big down deep to the meat eaters you almost need to go up to a light steelhead stick 5/6 for those 6+lb trout. That's what I love about your line up of rods Gary, you have pretty much have every scenario covered! Loving the 1172 , but a 119 grainer.... I would love to give it a go!
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I have four trout-speys laying around the house.

A 9’3” bamboo (that I like with about 190 grains)
A 10’ graphite with a 200-230 grain window.
A 12’ graphite with a 240-300 grain window.
A 12’ graphite with a 210- 265 grain window.

They are normally used on very different streams. Last year I used the bamboo on the Madison River in YNP and just below the lakes, but found it a bit short for some of the casts I needed to make at times (70ft). I would have been better off with the 12ft 3/4wt. The 10ft 2/3wt and the 12ft 3/4wt are the mainstays. The 10fter pulls warm water duties too. I can use the 12ft 3/4wt on tailwaters during the winter in Arkansas to go along with it’s time in WY/MT. However, the 12ft 2/3wt may see a bunch of time next year, hopefully in OR this Spring and MT in the Fall.

I like the little 10ft for its lightness, but if the stream is of any size the 12ft is nicer for its mending abilities. I hope to add a 10’9” 3/4wt bamboo in the next year.

I’ve made a few short bamboo (9ft) micro-Skagit rods for some friends (all around 200-230 grains), and I’m being asked to modify more 9ft 5/6wts graphite rods to two handed rods. My seven-year-old daughter will start using a 10ft 2/3wt this winter/spring.

I’m not sure about going over 12ft for the trout stuff, especially in the 2/3/4wt realm. I would be concerned that the lower section would become too stiff for a 200/250 grain rod to allow the fish to be fun.

I guess my very long winded and rambling answer it depends on the size of the stream and size of fish.
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Agree that it depends upon the size of the water.

I have made up a 9ft 4wt trout rod with longer cork and comfortably cast spey RIO Trout LT lines and short custom cut Skagit lines.

Generally up to about 12'6" is the standard for 5wt trout speys with many fine casting rods from 10' to 12' in length.

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