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Spring Steelhead

A wee video compilation I put together from a trip to BC last spring. Slow fishing, but stunning scenery!


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Glad you had a good time but tough to see wild steelies on rocks and out of water...
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They were only out of the water for a quick photo and certainly not over any rocks. Water was flowing over there gill at all times! You can see the water dripping off them when they are being held up to the camera, showing that they had just been lifted out of the water.
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Not trying to start anything but maybe take a read...

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/5...ero-shots.html

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/5...-mcmillan.html

When new to the sport I was as guilty as anyone about taking fish out of water for quick shots but changed my mind after doing more research on the pros of keeping them in the water. As a general rule i never lift the fish out of water and always keep their head submerged. In addition, I always try to land the fish in at least 1-2 feet of water. Especially if it is a nice wild specimen like what you have encountered.

That said, to each their own i suppose but best to be informed...
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Research that was carried out on the Morice and Bulkely Rivers by Carelton University in 2017, not opinion, research, shows that having the fish out of the water for more than 10 seconds can cause serious harm, which is more than understandable.

"Maybe take a read..."

http://www.aprilvokey.com/aprilvokey...e-May-2017.pdf

These fish were not out of the water for 10 seconds. You can see from the clip of the first fish that it was lifted straight out of the water and within a few seconds was being lowered back in as I cut away to another shot of walking down the forest. The last clip lasted 4 secs. I obviously cut the part as it was being lowered back in. If you want the raw footage, I'll send it to you.

I don't know what has ticked you off this week, but you are having a go at the wrong person. I haven't killed a salmonid fish species for 17 years, across 7 countries, and have long been a supporter of catch and release. I have seen some horrific handling of fish in my time fishing rivers in Canada and US, albeit mainly by bait and jig fisherman. These are the type of people you should be having a go at, not the few of us who fly fish and have a deep admiration for the sport and the fish we chase. I fished for 8 days straight before I caught the first of 3 fish, the first one being my first Steelhead. So are you really going to begrudge me that moment of lifting the fish up to the camera for a few seconds before releasing it, for a memory to take home with me? If so, then what's the point. Petty criticisms like this of the people who care about the fish, conservation, and the sport of fly fishing, are only going to turn them away from the sport.

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Petty criticisms like this of the people who care about the fish, conservation, and the sport of fly fishing, are only going to turn them away from the sport.
Maybe that's a good thing!

In all seriousness, this forum probably isn't the best place to show photos/footage of un-submerged fish, fish on rocks, etc.
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Well maybe it is best just to keep are pictures to are self's and not say a word?
no matter how much of a happy day we have and wish to share!
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Research that was carried out on the Morice and Bulkely Rivers by Carelton University in 2017, not opinion, research, shows that having the fish out of the water for more than 10 seconds can cause serious harm, which is more than understandable.

"Maybe take a read..."

http://www.aprilvokey.com/aprilvokey...e-May-2017.pdf

These fish were not out of the water for 10 seconds. You can see from the clip of the first fish that it was lifted straight out of the water and within a few seconds was being lowered back in as I cut away to another shot of walking down the forest. The last clip lasted 4 secs. I obviously cut the part as it was being lowered back in. If you want the raw footage, I'll send it to you.

I don't know what has ticked you off this week, but you are having a go at the wrong person. I haven't killed a salmonid fish species for 17 years, across 7 countries, and have long been a supporter of catch and release. I have seen some horrific handling of fish in my time fishing rivers in Canada and US, albeit mainly by bait and jig fisherman. These are the type of people you should be having a go at, not the few of us who fly fish and have a deep admiration for the sport and the fish we chase. I fished for 8 days straight before I caught the first of 3 fish, the first one being my first Steelhead. So are you really going to begrudge me that moment of lifting the fish up to the camera for a few seconds before releasing it, for a memory to take home with me? If so, then what's the point. Petty criticisms like this of the people who care about the fish, conservation, and the sport of fly fishing, are only going to turn them away from the sport.

If you have done enough reading and still dont get that :

1) you can cause harm (not sure how you classified "serious" because that is a relative term) by lifting a fish you intend to C&R out of water
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2) you can take some pretty pics without having to remove fishes from water

then there really is no point in any further conversation. Like I have said from the start, I have taken hero shots in the past as a newbie. Some kind folks on this forum pointed me to different literature and studies wrt this issue. Upon careful sef reflection I have choose to keep all my fishes wet and try to land them in knee high water. But this is an decision that each individual has to make one their own. All I did was to point you to some resources so that you can make an educated decision. In the end, we believe what we choose not to believe. Cheers.
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In all fairness I do think the fish landing and handling displayed in this vid (which was beautifully done btw!) was way above standard ďhero shotĒ stuff in so many vids. Maybe this wasnít the best person or video to take issue with for fish handling? What little studies Iíve read seem to address the obvious, but have been less than conclusive about the risks of say 2-5 seconds from the water. From what I saw in the video I canít really say that any obvious harm came from his handling?

I really have to question most blanket statements about fish handling, as I see it more as a total combination of effects. State of the fish, water temps, how quickly the fish is landed, how it is landed, etc; all these factors should be taken into account, and I would hazard a guess that there are probably times where the combination of all these other factors may be more potentially harmful to the fish than a quick in and out photo of a fish under more ideal circumstances.

At any rate, thanks for sharing the vid Triplespey and welcome to Speypages. If I could offer a small critique on landing the fish, it would be to work on tailing them in a bit deeper water rather than hauling them up into the shallows as so many people do. It can be a bit of a challenge, but thatís true of fly fishing for steelhead in general. It can be MUCH easier with a friend to help in this case of course, though itís quite doable solo so long as your tippet is stout. Again, I think the handling you showed in the video is FAR better than what most videos portray, but we can all probably work a bit to do more to help spread the word in the angling community to help minimize our own impacts as much as possible.
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The fish handling in his vid was just fine, if your that passionate to berate some one for a quick photo I sincerly hope you don't fish. Guess what you are causing harm and stress by hooking and playing a fish that is going to be released.

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To tell you the truth, in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

If we ever cared and had healthy ecosystems, we could have banged that wild steelhead on the head and put it on the barbecue. But we don't! And you know why?

Because noone ever tried to recognize the rights of other species to exist and have their own territory, undisturbed by humans. We encroach on their land with big steps every day; with excavators, dozers, airplanes, helicopters, snowmobiles, dirt bikes...and we take all we can; all their shelter, food, cover, water. We leave only devastation behind.

Then amusingly a guy like Ehor Boyanovski comments that it was "ironic" how the Thompson steelhead disappeared just as he purchased his own lot by the river.

I do not know when we will ever be able to pull our heads out of the sand. I presume, never!
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To tell you the truth, in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

If we ever cared and had healthy ecosystems, we could have banged that wild steelhead on the head and put it on the barbecue. But we don't! And you know why?

Because noone ever tried to recognize the rights of other species to exist and have their own territory, undisturbed by humans. We encroach on their land with big steps every day; with excavators, dozers, airplanes, helicopters, snowmobiles, dirt bikes...and we take all we can; all their shelter, food, cover, water. We leave only devastation behind.

Then amusingly a guy like Ehor Boyanovski comments that it was "ironic" how the Thompson steelhead disappeared just as he purchased his own lot by the river.

I do not know when we will ever be able to pull our heads out of the sand. I presume, never!
100% Agree with Cougar.

At the same time. I still try to do my best when I do catch a fish. Me and my friends are constantly discussing way to be better to the fish. First of all. I don't ever need to touch a steelhead ever again. So it mean I'm not gonna play it to death just so i can say i caught a fish. In very sensitive water, I choose to clip the hook. I'm happy with the tug. Fishing with a stout rod, a strong leader and an easily bent trout hook is the best scenario at this point to basically loose the fish rapidly. I know some of you will find that ridiculous. But I ask. What's left of the fight after the first 30 seconds? It's just you winching the fish against the current. I'd rather lose it and make sure the effect is minimal on the fish. If I could only invent a hook that could release the fish at will. I would only use that.

Also, guys who beach their fish. They do it because they are so afraid to lose the fish. Get in deeper water. Once the fish in close to you. Give it a bunch of slack rapidly and grab your leader. If you lose the fish. So be it. But don't risk it's life to satisfy your ego. No matter what the studies are saying. It is still just an ego thing to land the fish. Nothing else. It's no different then trophy hunting for lion in my opinion.
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Merlin, I don’t think this is the right thread for your jumbled venting. We’ve gone off track enough given that this WAS a nice video posted by a newer member; and not really the best place to lump a bunch of random unrelated rants. It sounds like you are addressing personal issues from some other thread, but this one wasn’t about you.

Back to the video perhaps?
Thanks again Tripplespey, care to share any good stories from the trip? I’m sure there must be at least a few good ones from what the video hints at.
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Steelhead jump out of the water on their own. They are fine to come out of the water for a quick second or two. You just don't want to hold them out. Think in your mind that they are jumping and only hold them out that long, if you must take the pic out of the water.
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So I know a biologist that ran a broodstock program, and the amount of handling and abuse those fish go through is far far worse than anything we would do in a cnr fishery.
He says that the egg to fry survival was just as high as any other hatchery or sometimes better, and that's with highly stressed fish multiple times, and being held out of the water for minutes(10-15) at a time. He dosent believe that a quick lift and a pic would have any effect the fish and their success in spawning and fry recruitment.

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