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Kelly Galloup, Chad Johnson, Trout, flies and anti spey

A couple videos about big trout and big flies on spey rods and why spey rods are not always the right tool for the job.
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Watching Kelly Galloup cast a spey rod is painful....

Might have something to do with his thoughts lol

I personally find (as with most things fishing related ) that its always about a time , place, conditions, quarry etc....

Surprisingly, I have put a lot more faith in lines then anything else of late..

In my neck of the woods the streamer game (for the most part) is one of stripping vs swinging, so a line that allows you to strip the fly in is advantageous

as always thanks for the great posts!

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Mr. Galloup, methinks, suffers somewhat from a failure of imagination.


In the end, what I knows is this: the spey rod is pretty much always the right tool for putting the most and biggest grins on my face. This is due to the fact that the relationship between the enjoyment derived by the number of fish caught and the methods by which they are caught is not linear or even proportionate. :-)

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He may have some valid points. I LOVE the two handed thing but have shifted a little back towards the SH rods for that type of fishing. I almost never passively swing with the TH rod; I always am twitching the fly, and I think I catch more than without twitching. But for streamers where I'm imparting even more life into the fly, I'm diggin' the SH 6 wt. and a Rio Outbound Short. One big reason is I can fish the fly almost all the way in. For some reason, working the head through the guides and then working it back out really gets on my nerves. I find it 1000X easier on a SH with the right line.
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He may have some valid points. I LOVE the two handed thing but have shifted a little back towards the SH rods for that type of fishing. I almost never passively swing with the TH rod; I always am twitching the fly, and I think I catch more than without twitching. But for streamers where I'm imparting even more life into the fly, I'm diggin' the SH 6 wt. and a Rio Outbound Short. One big reason is I can fish the fly almost all the way in. For some reason, working the head through the guides and then working it back out really gets on my nerves. I find it 1000X easier on a SH with the right line.
I agree, sometimes the sh is the way to go with the right line. Totally. But then again, its about doing what makes you happy and enjoying it, whatever that might be.
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Kelly is one of those personalities that inspired me to fish big streamers. He is absolutely right. Fast retreive, targeting specific holding lies with SH is that much more efficient. On the other hand if wade fishing big water without much of a structure, one can cover more with a spey or switch. Switch would probably be my choice if I did a strip in approach. There has been many times I found myself on water with SH and wished I had my DH.

Both have its place but if I had to choose one it would be a 9'er with an overloading long sink tip line.

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Thanks for the videos!
I am partial towards spey but I do see a few advantages of single handers...
I think having a light weight, fast action trout switch rod is the best of both worlds - it can SH dry line, TH scandi/skagit/scandit.
And for really close up work - OPST or Rio Trout short chunky heads paired up with different tips can do the work of both SH and TH work.
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Thanks for the videos!
I am partial towards spey but I do see a few advantages of single handers...
I think having a light weight, fast action trout switch rod is the best of both worlds - it can SH dry line, TH scandi/skagit/scandit.
And for really close up work - OPST or Rio Trout short chunky heads paired up with different tips can do the work of both SH and TH work.
Yeah, I agree. I think the Commando's might just be the ticket for swinging streamers and chuck and duck.
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Yeah, I agree. I think the Commando's might just be the ticket for swinging streamers and chuck and duck.
And since OPST just came out (new for 2017) with the floating 5' and 7.5' OPST tips, I can now try dry fly and swinging soft hackles on my trout switch rod!

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I like Kelly Galloup and enjoy his books, videos and flies.

Unfortunately he has a very narrow minded and obsolete mindset on Spey rods and how to fish them.
The modern approach is not strictly about long casts and passively swinging a fly.

The newer short heads and shorter two handed rods are quite excellent for his style of streamer presentations.
I do not enjoy SH back casting heavy flies three or four time to present a fly.

The upstream presentation with fast retrieve is not a problem if you control the running line with a loop formed with you thumb and forefinger so the instant the fly hits the water, the line is in retrieve mode. This is very important when searching close to the bank with shotgun short casts and retrieves. My favorite rod is a 11' to 11'9" 6wt-8wt, no back casting and more time with the fly in the water.
Retrieve the fly close to the rod tip,,, shake/flex the rod horizontally to feed out line back to the head extending outside the guides,,,, Perry Poke into another cast.

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I like Kelly Galloup and enjoy his books, videos and flies.

Unfortunately he has a very narrow minded and obsolete mindset on Spey rods and how to fish them.
The modern approach is not strictly about long casts and passively swinging a fly.

The newer short heads and shorter two handed rods are quite excellent for his style of streamer presentations.
I do not enjoy SH back casting heavy flies three or four time to present a fly.

The upstream presentation with fast retrieve is not a problem if you control the running line with a loop formed with you thumb and forefinger so the instant the fly hits the water, the line is in retrieve mode. This is very important when searching close to the bank with shotgun short casts and retrieves. My favorite rod is a 11' to 11'9" 6wt-8wt, no back casting and more time with the fly in the water.
Retrieve the fly close to the rod tip,,, shake/flex the rod horizontally to feed out line back to the head extending outside the guides,,,, Perry Poke into another cast.

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When you look at someones opinions on things like this you have to consider the context. In this case the context is the river. In Kelly's case we are talking about the Madison, and the Madison behind his shop is fast with bouldery pockets. He doesn't even have broad riffles to swing. His casts are 30 feel long and each cast lasts 4-5 seconds you cannot do that with a spey rod no matter what head you are using or now short of a. rod.

Cast Strip, Strip Strip Cast Strip strip Cast.. it is very aggressive he isn't looking to catch every fish in the river only the most aggressive ones.

For me even if i was streamer fishing with long casts much as I do for coho a spey rod is only useful if you have a line with no connections you need a line that is all integrated running line body and sink tip otherwise you'll be setting the hook every time a loop hits your tip top. and then you have to get the head back out of the rod and downstream so you can make another cast.

I only like spey rods for passive swinging
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What Roballen said! The appropriate tool for the job at hand.
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Prior to Kelly Galloup purchasing the Slide Inn on the Madison River, I stayed for two weeks and explored the area.

Galloup's streamer video shows 30ft casts and a short number of strips, many other methods are available.
Some very nice larger water is a short drive from his shop.

Rich Strolis author of Catching Shaddows and Blog with same name,,,, specializes in very large streamers for trout,,, he casts upstream against the bank and very quickly strips double overhand with the rod under his arm. A large predator expects prey to move away as quickly as possible,,, downstream,,, not dead drift down and across or pulsing upstream with traditional retrieves.
A few years ago, I did a seminar with Rich on the river with casting larger flies,,, Rich prefers a 8wt SH rod, he fishes mainly out of a drift boat,,,, after I did a demo with my 11'9" rod,,, two students went back to the fly shop and purchased Switch rods.

Integrated head lines for streamers and pocket water without loop-to-loop,,,, RIO Switch Chucker, Airflo Streamer Switch, Wulff Ambush. We use these lines to strip the large streamers close to the rod tip,,,, amazing how many larger trout will follow right up to your rod tip and then turn away quickly.

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I have limited resources, so I have not watch the videos.

It is casting and presentation, and I have used the Perry Poke for bonefish even. I have had a few guides, surprise how I blend different setups. So, do not limit yourself.

I REALLY like fishing streamers for trout, and depending upon the water conditions, I will swing, strip, et cetera. Same with the Smallmouth on my home river.

So, I pull out the rod and line to my whim at the moment, and my thoughts on the water. It as it is about fun.

So yes, to Single Hand - my favourite adaptable single hand is an old Scott ARC 7wt, 10'. Only problem, it is becoming my wife's goto Rod. It has a long Airflo multi-tip line that lends itself well to single hand spey.

I use a Meiser 1264S with an SGS 324 gr at 31.1', when the river allows me. But close by is a Meiser 1305S-5 when I want to throw heavy and deeper. It is not unusual for me to work the 1264, then come back deep and heavy with the 1305.

I use Guideline 78 3D Scandi lines on the 1305S.

Lately, I been using an Airflo Beach line to launch streamers and strip them back on a Scott Meridan 8wt. Last night (before I flew out), got some nice Smallmouth 1+' under the surface. 90% of the cast were overhead, but I dropped a few flies on the backhand and with Mixed Spey cast, when it was appropriate.

I guess, what I am saying ... one size does not fit all. And you can blend your technique to what you like.

I am too old, not to make this fun.

But, I am believer in SH and DH rods for trout.
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