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Scott Howell Skagit Casting - Defined and Simplifyed

Scott Howell with some skagit casting basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-3oGMprxU

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Very good instructional video. Thanks for posting this.
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I'm going to share this video with a friend of mind.

Great video, wish I would've found this video years ago.


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I did just that....sent it to a couple buddies. Great vid. Thanks for posting
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Thanks for sharing this guy is a good instructor. Never met him I think he was at the Clearwater Spey gathering last weekend 9/28-29/13? Any way Thank you
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Noooo

I don't think he was. He confines his rather large id to Oregon as I understand it.

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Thanks for posting. Def. good for people new to forum like me.
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Thanks for posting one of the best videos I've seen on the basics of Skagit casting. Scott is a very effective teacher.

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I don't get the 10 o'clock position stuff

In his otherwise clear vido, Scott keeps talking about sweeping the rod and peeling the line off the water to the 10 o'clock position. Maybe I'm getting my clock orientation mixed up, but I thought you lifted and stopped your rod at the 1 o'clock position.

What am I not getting?
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In his otherwise clear vido, Scott keeps talking about sweeping the rod and peeling the line off the water to the 10 o'clock position. Maybe I'm getting my clock orientation mixed up, but I thought you lifted and stopped your rod at the 1 o'clock position.

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You are looking at the clock from the other side. Just transpose the 10 or 11 o'clock terminology to 1 or 2 o'clock.

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Great video - Scott talks about pulling the anchor and expect he will touch on this more in future videos - one of the main reasons folks starting out that may have had some instructions from more traditional spey casters is that little kick up at the end of the D loop they tell you to do!! This can really kill a sustained anchor cast. Typically they tell your to raise the rod with both arms coming up into a little jab.

If you watch Scott's hands and arms, his right elbow does not leave his side in the sweep to D loop- this makes a very compact cast and in SM 1 as Ed points out keeping everything inside the box. I really like to stress hand arm motion in teaching casting - either single or two handed casting. It is all about proper muscle memory and if you know what your hands and arms are suppose to do and train them to do this, the rod and line will follow
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He speaks a lot of rod load which in the end is very very little even with a Skagit line and "pre load" does not exist when longer, relatively lighter line is cast. Yes rod bends during the back cast but most of the bend straightens when the D-loop forms when there is a pause or better when rod is drifted (hands are raised and rod tip pushed back) and the amount of bend which is left has almost no effect to cast.

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bender - think I disagree with your assessment - with the continuous load style, the rod does not unload between back (D loop formation) and forward cast. I like to equate the CM/CL type spey cast to the Belgian loop cast in overhead casting - think if you were to just swing the rod around your head in a circular motion, the rod never unloads and line is in constant tension- change this to an oval motion - ie Belgian cast and you are kind of slinging the line around and never letting up on the tension

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Cm/cl

A lot of people have a hard time accepting the CM/CL concept. It goes against the grain of what we were taught when we learned T&G traditional style casting. The 180 principle, wait for the loop to come around & all that stuff. But watch some of the Skagit Jedi's, even casting cack handed, another no no. It's hard to argue with success.

Watch the long distance competition casters @ Spey-O-Rama. They kick the rod butt out & bring the rod back parallel to the water. The line should drop to water, but it does not. The rod unloads completely long before they even start the forward stroke. Another no no as we were taught. The rods the Carron Team were using few years back threw such a wide open loop you thought it would never fly. But when the rod rebounded, it pulled the lower leg of that loop up and fly it did. Incredible distances! All of these techniques go against the grain of what we have been taught & accepted as gospel. Again, it's hard to ague with success.

My background in engineering left me questioning how can that be? The contrast between those two styles of casting is like night & day. Each represents countless years of trial & error, perfecting the style. Each being developed to accomplish a different objective. Can Scott Howell chuck a dead chicken 150 ft? Of course not. But neither can the Carron team.

I could go on about those differences, but suffice to say they both work. Should you question how & why, as did I, you figure it out.
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When line head is longer rod "unloads" when the D-loop forms. I'm afraid when rod load is so emphasized someone concentrates to it when we don't need to even think of rod load.

Actually it was very difficult to find very "good" Skagit casting searching youtube because current style is so well represented which IMHO is a shame. This video by Mike Kinney is what I did watch many many times when I began Skagit. Very smooth and beautiful style!!!

Not all his casts have a pause but those where the anchor is positioned further back do have. Its simply because the D-loop needs more time to form and there is no issue of lost rod load That kind of technique is essential when line head becomes longer but pause can be used when head is short too. Back cast just needs to be done using less speed. Enjoy!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiJHAHVXVk
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