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Need critic about casting

Critic from everyone is good for me.
(preparing thci exam)

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Good job, you look very relaxed, good for you for switching hands. You are casting really nice and easy on everything which will be good to show to new students. With more of the line stripped out maybe a bit more accelaration on the forward stroke and a more pronounced dead stop, it will shoot the line with a bit more energy, but don't over do it, you don't need much, you're really smooth so keep it that way.
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I agree with the above post. Very nice, precise and relaxed. I prefer to look like I'm killing snakes

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Maybe could be important for critic - equipment which I use.

Rod is GuideLine LeCie #10/11 14'8"
Line is Carron Line, JetStream - Pro Line 10/11 Floating, 65 ft Head

And yes I expect rigid critics. Thank you.
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Maybe could be important for critic - equipment which I use.

Rod is GuideLine LeCie #10/11 14'8"
Line is Carron Line, JetStream - Pro Line 10/11 Floating, 65 ft Head

And yes I expect rigid critics. Thank you.
Great that you are going for the THCI I would class it as the hardest of exams and one that I treasure the most of all the qualifications. Where will you take the exam? One thing regards your equipment on the syllabus it states the rod will not exceed 15 feet in length and the line weight will be no greater than a 10 weight. I feel you might have trouble with your line choice.
On your video I see a few things that I would not like to see in an exam. I hope that you do not mind me pointing them out as I only wish to help and if you are not happy with me posting them to the public I can private message you on them. Please let me know. fishhunt.ie

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Hi, yes of course, you can do it public, it will be good also for other. This is forum.

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Ukraine, end of April is exam.
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This is just my opinion and very hard to see a full picture from this short video. From what I think and it took my old computer a long time to play it so I only watched it a few times. When you are casting on your left side you are pulling your bottom hand across to the left side of your body on the final delivery. This will invariably lead to a tracking issue. On your single Spey you did not address your final delivery (your feet where still pointing downstream). I did not see a pause on the double Spey this can lead to a bloody L I would also try to place the line as far away from me in the line placing move. If you are casting with 80 feet of line from foot to target then I would suggest that you use a longer stroke by incorporating some weight shift. If you do that then you will be able to have a much higher stop and the 100 feet cast will not be a problem. I will leave it at that I am sure you will give me a hard time on this much.

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A couple things I'm seeing in your cast that I personally would work on:
1. Make your bottom hand more active in the cast, to me it seems to be just along for the ride and doesn't really make a meaningful contribution to the cast. Whether it be a 50/50 top hand bottom hand cast or a more bottom hand dominant cast you'll find your cast will be come a lot livelier and you'll get a lot more distance with a lot less effort.

2. Put your body in to the cast, when your torso becomes active in the cast this will also add to the efficiency of the cast. I try to think of my cast the same way a golfer swings a club or a baseball player swings a bat. Use your whole body and you'll (again) get a lot more distance with a lot less effort.

I hope this helps,

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This is just my opinion and very hard to see a full picture from this short video. From what I think and it took my old computer a long time to play it so I only watched it a few times. When you are casting on your left side you are pulling your bottom hand across to the left side of your body on the final delivery. This will invariably lead to a tracking issue. On your single Spey you did not address your final delivery (your feet where still pointing downstream). I did not see a pause on the double Spey this can lead to a bloody L I would also try to place the line as far away from me in the line placing move. If you are casting with 80 feet of line from foot to target then I would suggest that you use a longer stroke by incorporating some weight shift. If you do that then you will be able to have a much higher stop and the 100 feet cast will not be a problem. I will leave it at that I am sure you will give me a hard time on this much.
-When you are casting on your left side you are pulling your bottom hand across to the left side of your body on the final delivery.. OK, I saw it
- I did not see a pause on the double Spey this can lead to a bloody L.. Not understand this about pause and Bloody L
- about stop.... yes I agree

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A couple things I'm seeing in your cast that I personally would work on:
1. Make your bottom hand more active in the cast, to me it seems to be just along for the ride and doesn't really make a meaningful contribution to the cast. Whether it be a 50/50 top hand bottom hand cast or a more bottom hand dominant cast you'll find your cast will be come a lot livelier and you'll get a lot more distance with a lot less effort.

2. Put your body in to the cast, when your torso becomes active in the cast this will also add to the efficiency of the cast. I try to think of my cast the same way a golfer swings a club or a baseball player swings a bat. Use your whole body and you'll (again) get a lot more distance with a lot less effort.

I hope this helps,

Thanks,
- about body... yes, sure
- this is my new line and first go to the river after 5 months of winter. Need to warm up my muscles
- In this 2,3 hours just want to fill line and decide at the moment to make this video to use for checking some part of my spey casting. Thank you for critics and please continue
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- about body... yes, sure
- this is my new line and first go to the river after 5 months of winter. Need to warm up my muscles
- In this 2,3 hours just want to fill line and decide at the moment to make this video to use for checking some part of my spey casting. Thank you for critics and please continue
In the Double Spey as you circle up into the Key position you should have a pause. This will allow the water born anchor to raise out of the water more (avoiding excessive anchor). This will also allow the line to pirouette around and line up with the final delivery (180degree rule). As this is a much more efficient way of casting you can also slow the tempo right down.

I would also agree with Ian and this is why I said weight shift so get that body rocking and rolling. Rocking being weight shift and rolling for upper body rotation i.e. let the bigger muscles do the heavy work.

On his point regards the 50/50 I use a style that uses the bottom hand as the leaver and the top hand the pivot point. As Al Buhr explained to me one time the bottom hand should do the passing out i.e. the bottom hand is always moving faster than the top. So even though the top had is moving it is just a moving pivot (fulcrum) another thing that he showed me was to imagine that the butt of the rod is a spike and as you start you forward delivery you pull it down as if you were going to stick it in the ground and then start to pull in the bottom hand. Try this with a roll cast and you will not believe the efficiency of the cast.
Hope that this helps
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O yeah fishhunt, there are very useful information for me. Still thinking about this pause. Not 100% sure what I have to change. Sorry maybe of knowledge of English language is problem.

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This is a page from a book i recently finished it will be printed by merlin unwin later this year i have drawings but could not get them on here for some resion. If you would like to see them i can e-mail just send me a mail to [email protected]
The double Spey cast is used when there is a
downstream wind, in order to keep the fl y on the
safe side of the body and the wind also assists
in the formation of a D-loop and with carrying the
fl y-line when it is in fl ight during the forward cast. A
waterborne anchor is employed during the setting
up sequence of the cast.
As with all Spey casts, the feet are positioned ready,
in line, for the forward cast and the top half of the
body is turned to face downstream. To begin with
the rod tip is held close to the water, with the fl yline
straight downstream and this is achieved by
standing in a relaxed posture with the arms hanging
down the sides of the body and the hands holding
the rod butt loosely.
Next lift the rod-tip vertically, sweep upstream,
tracing a horizontal rod-tip path, which will cause
the fl y-line to be aerialised, and then drop the rod
tip vertically, whilst at the same time throwing an
upstream loop on the water. The size of the loop
will determine the downstream anchor position and
may be adjusted to compensate for a fast fl owing
current or a longer fl y-line. It is important that the
rod tip ends low, close to the water. Most of the line,
outside the rod tip, will now be on the water and this
will form a waterborne anchor.
Following this, the fl y-line is peeled off the water
by sweeping back downstream and tracking a
shallow inclined path with the rod-tip. The speed at
which the sweep is made ensures that the fl y-line is
always under tension as it is peeled off the water’s
surface and it is also important to sweep outwards
for the same reason. The wider the sweep the better
the resulting D-loop at the end of it. Continue to
sweep until the rod tip passes over the forward cast
anchor position and at this moment circle up with
the top hand to throw a big D-loop, whilst pushing
with the bottom hand to draw the fl y-line back to
the correct anchor position. Ultimately, the hands
will come up to the key position in readiness for the
forward cast.
Contrary to intuition, this cast should not be hurried,
especially during the formation of the waterborne
anchor and it is helpful to look at the tip of the fl yline,
rather than the upstream loop, to ensure that
the anchor is placed in the correct position.
The bottom hand is dominant for most of this cast
and so this means that the hands are crossed
over when the waterborne anchor is made and the
bottom hand is used to sweep the fl y-rod back round
when the fl y-line is being peeled off the water,fi nally
pushing outwards to help with a good D-loop
formation. The top hand is used mainly for circling
up. Often not enough energy is put into the D-loop
back cast and so much of the line remains on the
water and this causes line stick as the forward cast
is made. For the same reason the anchor is not
pulled back and lined up, so the resulting cast is
less effi cient because a bloody L is created.
The casting-angle determines where the upstream
anchor is placed, if it is a small angle the rod-tip may
have to be brought into the bank initially and the
anchor loop may be thrown out towards mid stream.
For a square cast the loop may have to be brought
right round directly above the casting position,
depending on the length of line being cast.
Where there is limited room for a D-loop it is
possible to make a limited back loop and then to
throw the line out in the direction of the forward cast
and then make a roll cast to deliver the fl y-line to the
target. This is known as the “Perry Poke”.

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