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post #16 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-19-2020, 07:37 PM
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So bots since we’re discussing this and that have you ever tried either personally
Yes I have tried consciously moving my anchor around to see the results literally hundreds of times with dozens of lines, though I have never deliberately flubbed certain of those casts to convince myself or someone else that one way was clearly better than another. I have also occasionally tied my tippet to a log and bent a rod to judge its relative action. But no, I have never tried to convince myself that the STATIC bend in a rod had to do with anything other that where my hands were holding that rod, because it is an impossibility.

But I’m sure it is not that hard to trick people into putting their hands, perhaps unknowingly, in a different final position - but not all of these ruses will be in any way related to a lesson on the importance of using your lower hand. Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me.

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Yes I have tried consciously moving my anchor around to see the results literally hundreds of times with dozens of lines, though I have never delivered flubbed certain of those castS to convince myself or someone else that one way was clearly better than another. I have also occasionally tied my tippet to a log and bent a rod to judge its relative action. But no, I have never tried to convince myself that the STATIC bend in a rod had to do with anything other that where my hands were, because this is an impossibility.

But I’m sure it is not that hard to trick people into putting their hands, perhaps unknowingly, in a different final position - but not all of these ruses will be in any way related to a lesson on the importance of using your lower hand. Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me.
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Good stuff here. Simple and effective way to feel rod bend using top hand (tip section bend) and bottom hand (lower butt section bend). If I'm not mistaken this is also something that Hugh Falkus honed in on for his teaching regarding where to 'break the rod.' Another way to think about it is the top hand thumb is pushing against the top rod cork handle while the three lower fingers (middle/ring/pinky) are pushing against the palm of the bottom hand. The intent maximize rod bend around the reel seat. I flip this around for teaching the forward cast and use the term 'pulling down' on the rod, not pushing.

A 'light bulb' usually comes on when you get someone learning to spey cast FEEL lower rod bend and SEE the difference it makes when casting. A serious ah ha moment.
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Obviously impossible to contribute anything new here, but the thread reminds me of something I picked up along the way - that by moving one's top hand down it is not only harder to use the top hand too much but easier to feel the rod loading. I was out on the river with an unfamiliar older and slower rod the other day, and was completely overpowering it. I moved my top hand three inches or so closer to the reel and the rod felt immediately much different, and cast better. I am sure that if I used that rod for a week I could sneak my the top hand back up the grip, but as a transition strategy it worked well.

I begin to suspect that spey casting; indeed fishing is not actually the point here, but rather the Quixotic pursuit of an admittedly unattainable state of perfect grace. Certainly gives us something to do when the steelhead are ignoring us. Which is a lot of the time....... I recommend reading The River Why if the spey casting is not treating you well.......

The lockdown continues, except for inflatable dinosaurs on the Clackamas River near Portland, Oregon, which are not socially distancing......
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[QUOTE=fisshman26;2514994]Here’s a little exercise I do with clients and students to help them understand how your dominant hand effects how the rod bends and the efficiency of that bend.
Please give it a try yourselves

This is what the "shotgun" lift trains you to do, and the way Dec Hogan puts it (and I'll paraphrase): that in fly casting you are pulling [read: leveraging] flyline with either hand at different times. So - different terms but the same idea.

I've done this or something similar somewhere along the way, Im sure. But this is how you can relocate the fly close to you with minimal effort if you ever wanted to try so you'd know.

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