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Thanks for the video Tim. Nice casting Bruce. This breaks down the cast in great detail.

I have been looking at the video around 1:06. It appears to me the rod unloads in 2 distinct states, a short pause separating them. The butt unloads, then the top part of the rod unloads.

My experience is if I can make the stages more distinct from each other (ie. not smeared or blended), the greater the distance.

My experience with the foot forward (on the same side of the top hand) is to prevent over-rotation that leads to throwing the line past the inside rail.

Also, my experience is the flatter I can start the fwd cast, the tighter the loops, the lower and sharper the apex of the Dee loop stays during the unrolling stage.

Another thing I was keeping an eye out for was the lag time between the rod unloading and the fly line unrolling out. I find if I can delay it a tad bit, the line has more energy. My theory is this lag delays the rod tip from unloading early which keeps it longer in the game of putting work into moving the line.

I have problems with creep, which shows up when I can't feel the line after drifting. I have to tell myself to trust the process, but my hands can get distrustful at times. Any tips here?

Which hand is creeping?
You might be trying to hit the forward cast too hard perhaps. If the backcast part is done properly and you get your hands in the proper key position creep will be minimal
Donít wait to feel the weight at that point itís too late.
The best thing I ever did for my casting was simply paying attention to the basics and if those are done properly the cast happens quite intuitively.
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I have seen videos of, and have been trying out, starting the fwd cast before the anchor hits.

Will that help with feeling the load too late problem?

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I have seen videos of, and have been trying out, starting the fwd cast before the anchor hits.

Will that help with feeling the load too late problem?
In teaching people on long lines I like to call it ďanticipate the anchorĒ

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Totally self taught here so take this for what its worth. I find it easier to learn new casts by thinking what I want the line to do. That usually gets me in the ballpark and feeling things more than watching things or thinking about my hands. Then once I'm close with that I can go back and watch peoples hands and fine tune from there. My brain just won't make my hands do the right thing unless I have some sort of feel for what I'm trying to accomplish. Its probably totally wrong, its just what works for me.



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I do! hes that little guy who has to raise his hands over his head to get them where a normal casters would be.

Hes also the guy who clipped his fly off when handing me the big stick to try out...
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I do! hes that little guy who has to raise his hands over his head to get them where a normal casters would be.

Hes also the guy who clipped his fly off when handing me the big stick to try out...
He's sensitive that way..... to puncture.....
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I have problems with creep, which shows up when I can't feel the line after drifting. I have to tell myself to trust the process, but my hands can get distrustful at times. Any tips here?
The best (and easiest) cure for creep is to continue drifting with your bottom hand.
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Totally self taught here so take this for what its worth. I find it easier to learn new casts by thinking what I want the line to do. That usually gets me in the ballpark and feeling things more than watching things or thinking about my hands. Then once I'm close with that I can go back and watch peoples hands and fine tune from there. My brain just won't make my hands do the right thing unless I have some sort of feel for what I'm trying to accomplish. Its probably totally wrong, its just what works for me.





I do! hes that little guy who has to raise his hands over his head to get them where a normal casters would be.

Hes also the guy who clipped his fly off when handing me the big stick to try out...

Had to clip the fly so you wouldnít hurt yourself big guy
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[...] but it is impossible to escape the fact that you canít see most of what is going on in a video framed this way. Since in the end it is what the line does and not fundamentally what the hands do that matters. If you canít see the line, then at least the rod tip. [....]
Path of line and rod tip tells you what happened, but not the why, much less the how. Conversely, from hand position, and by extension body position, everything the rod does can be inferred. My only complaint on this video is : needs more camera angles

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I am just getting back into comp casting so thatís the Gaelforce ďbeastĒ rod with a 72 foot comp head @ 34 grams.
34 grams on the "Beast", typo or super bottom hand mojo???
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34 grams on the "Beast", typo or super bottom hand mojo???
That has to be a typo

72ft @ 34grams ... there's nothing "beast" about that .... that's one long spaghetti noodle

I checked the Gaelforce site and the "Beast" Extreme Distance head is 80ft @ 85grams ... that is "Beastly"


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Oh boy yes my mistake guys 74 grams....duh itís hard enough to bend that rod even with that weight never mind 34.....good thing I write things down....just need to remember to check my notes, my bad

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i don't agree with bruce on much but one thing in this video that i caught and that i've had Timmy Arsenault really really help me with is his top hand elbow..you'll notice it is in tight and pointed at the target?

i for some reason have had the creeping elbow sneak into my casting. Looks like a big L instead of in tight...and pointing at the target....when i made that switch and got some practice in, the results are amazing...( line in front of you is also as important)
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It's hard to tell for sure but it looks like you hold the bottom grip like it was a member of the family as opposed to just the end to allow mobility. Which is it?

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It's hard to tell for sure but it looks like you hold the bottom grip like it was a member of the family as opposed to just the end to allow mobility. Which is it?

Dan
Yes my thumbs are aligned down the spine of the rod. Keeps things the same every cast .....i
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