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... the pseudo-science of running-lines and matching heads has now devolved into such a miasma of obfuscation that it is a wonder that people are even not more confused....Erik Helm

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Another cracker Tim!
Marked distance does not lie! Strips of line off the reel however.......hahaha 🤓
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The strips are fairly accurate, but you have to know how far your actual real strips are. I measured mine at just under 3 feet per strip.
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When I’m curious, which is rare, I use loops of shooting line. For example 2 loops of shooting line both of which extend to just past the tip of the rod in the river when held at the butt (usually where I stop as that seems like a “comfortable” no stress max independent of the line length) means about 5 times the length of the rod plus the length of the line and front end attachments from the reel. I can sometimes coax more out especially under ideal conditions and by doing “nicer” loop handling but I’ve kind of settled into two big sloppy loops at most and I’m done. I figure if I need more distance I’m using the wrong head, or what is more likely just casturbating.

Of course 90 % of the time much less. . But I took the op to be about that and not average length. But maybe that attitude is a bit of casturbation by itself so if I got that wrong .....
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The strips are fairly accurate, but you have to know how far your actual real strips are. I measured mine at just under 3 feet per strip.
I did too, mine are 7 feet.

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Even if you cast and your line hits the reel strips are a rough guesstimate at best as there can be squiggles in your line or the line bounces back etc......when measuring with strips you lose 10-20% compared to actual measured distance which does not lie

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Even if you cast and your line hits the reel strips are a rough guesstimate at best as there can be squiggles in your line or the line bounces back etc......when measuring with strips you lose 10-20% compared to actual measured distance which does not lie
I think it gets worse for me the longer the belly of the line is... particularly if they land in a slight arc which some do. I guess it would help if I learned to cast straight!
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Nice one, Tim!

It was great to see you last week, too. We need to share some water together soon.
I'm sure you'll outcast me, but at least we'll remind each other on how to measure.

When I want to be precise, I will use the distance between the stripper guide to the bottom of the cork as a measurement. I will then count the number of strips. Knowing this measurement, and the length of the head, I can determine the length of the cast. When it lands in the bushes on the other side, you went too far. If it gets stuck in the bushes behind me, then I wade out further. Haha!
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I did too, mine are 7 feet.

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Nice one, Tim!

It was great to see you last week, too. We need to share some water together soon.
I'm sure you'll outcast me, but at least we'll remind each other on how to measure.

When I want to be precise, I will use the distance between the stripper guide to the bottom of the cork as a measurement. I will then count the number of strips. Knowing this measurement, and the length of the head, I can determine the length of the cast. When it lands in the bushes on the other side, you went too far. If it gets stuck in the bushes behind me, then I wade out further. Haha!
Yes, we definitely need to get out together. i want to feel those Galeforce lines on your Mieser!
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When I’m curious, which is rare, I use loops of shooting line. For example 2 loops of shooting line both of which extend to just past the tip of the rod in the river when held at the butt (usually where I stop as that seems like a “comfortable” no stress max independent of the line length) means about 5 times the length of the rod plus the length of the line and front end attachments from the reel. I can sometimes coax more out especially under ideal conditions and by doing “nicer” loop handling but I’ve kind of settled into two big sloppy loops at most and I’m done. I figure if I need more distance I’m using the wrong head, or what is more likely just casturbating.

Of course 90 % of the time much less. . But I took the op to be about that and not average length. But maybe that attitude is a bit of casturbation by itself so if I got that wrong .....
I totally agree. I do about the same, two loops that don't reach beyond the end of the rod, so they wont get caught by the fly. Occasionally more, but like you said. Any more than that and its time for a longer head. I'm over stripping, except in emergencies.

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The strips are fairly accurate, but you have to know how far your actual real strips are. I measured mine at just under 3 feet per strip.
This may be the same logic Hyundai used (and later got caught) to give my 2013 car extra MPG.

You probably have to be very careful to avoid the Ouija board effect (ideomotor effect) doing it that way - or the “table turning” effect from the 19th century. Look it up if you never heard of it. Anyway it is basically proven it you want something to happen, or even expect it to happen you can MAKE it happen unconsciously. Hence strips can unconsciously get a little shorter under the right psychological conditions.
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Anyway it is basically proven it you want something to happen, or even expect it to happen you can MAKE it happen unconsciously.
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A suggestion -- Use a tape measure (100'er is easiest) and make an indelible mark on your line 100' from its tip loop.
When gauging cast length (excepting the squiggles, arcing, leader length, etc.), locate the mark. It is either on the reel or out the guides. Adding or subtracting a small amount is easy and allows a pretty accurate total, although nothing beats a measured distance and someone to mark the spot.
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In my personal experience, a tape measure is a fine tool with which to puncture one's delusions of speycasting grandeur.

Nice video Tim. 100ft is pretty far with a Skagit head.
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