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post #121 of 162 (permalink) Old 05-15-2019, 08:15 AM
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There is a look of intensity on the face of Gerard in that last photo ... probably because he's concentrating on every move his body is making, not just his arms.
Probably why his form is pure and the results are mind blowing .... that and closing his eyes in reverence to the Spey Gods helps a little I'm sure

I'll go back to the tying bench now ... I'm happy with my personal best of shooting a 70ft head + 4-16ft loops of running line and an 18ft leader .... whatever length that is, but sometimes that's where the fish are.


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Whitney Gould casting 150' at Speyorama - legit angle change and deep wading. Nobody wishes they had her forearms. Actually, as I near 60 years of age, I wish I had her forearms. But I digress...


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Whitney Gould casting 150' at Speyorama - legit angle change and deep wading. Nobody wishes they had her forearms. Actually, as I near 60 years of age, I wish I had her forearms. But I digress...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN0NHvTeyHY
Hi SkagitMiester,
Thank you! But without more zoom, I can’t say or decide what to want! I can’t see her forearms or anything else of her...
But if in doubt, I want the distance. Impressing.
Sometimes it’s nice to digress with humor... We are discussing luxury problems here, very nice luxury problems of course...
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Gerard Downey has one 6 of the last nine SOR's not because of forearm size but because of total perfection of the form and function of the spey cast. To put this into context, it would be like a golfer winning 6 out of 9 masters. Not Tiger, Nicklaus or anyone else ever came close to that.
Steve Rajeff ?

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Attack actually came in third this year at Speyorama

Yeah those three previous top-ten finishes, hardly worth mentioning

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Other than that - Bruce said he always casts the same way, and that you can cheat the heck out of some fundamentals. My question then: Does Bruce speak for all competition casters?
Pretty much every competition caster I've ever talked to has emphasized the centrality of fundamentals. They may have different interpretations of execution, but all emphasize fundamentals. There is a subtle distinction here. Not everything you read in books is representative of 'fundamentals', some are technique choices.

FWIW I am not a competition caster in the sense that Attack is a competition caster, but I've been in a few competitions. Somebody has to bring up the rear, might as well be me.


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Hi SkagitMiester,
Thank you! But without more zoom, I can’t say or decide what to want! I can’t see her forearms or anything else of her...
What you want is the anchor and forward loop on that cast.
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Hi SkagitMiester,
Thank you! But without more zoom, I can’t say or decide what to want! I can’t see her forearms or anything else of her...


What you want is the anchor and forward loop on that cast.
No, I wanted a little bit humor in the heated discussion😁
For the subject, please see my first post to this thread.

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No, I wanted a little bit humor in the heated discussion😁
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem humorless.

Personally, I've found this thread fairly amusing.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to seem humorless.

Personally, I've found this thread fairly amusing.
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Dude, why do you have to go and rip apart my argument with one name?

Forearms and casting domination. Crap.
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Hello Mr. Attack,
that’s not my style of discussion. That’s the point, where humor is failing and there should be time for a serious but friendly reply.
At least, if you call something crap, you should know what you are writing about. But you don’t. You did not read or you did not understand.

As the one who wanted to bring in humor into this discussion and was joking (“I want to have his forearms”) I would like to help you to come over your misunderstanding.
To make it easier and to put it into the right context, here is my first post to this thread:

“Very interesting thread.
It would be even more interesting, when we all could join in reality and cast side by side with each ones favorite outfit or distance setup. Nearly everything would be clear at once from the beginning without much hesitation!
Besides different casting styles and individual physical details:
Every rod and every line needs different casting, adaption in technique, stroke length, “in the box” or wide movements, and power application, as long as the aim is best distance and effectiveness as discussed here!
What might look wrong for one might be the most effective way for a given outfit that is not well known for him and others.
I for myself am Spey casting since being forced to cut double taper lines into pieces and puzzle together again in different combinations, do some Spey casting lessons in our clubs and would say I am a rod and line junkie. And by far I am not able to cast every multiple thousands of combinations in rods and lines available out there meanwhile. I would not judge anyone’s casting excessively without trying the combo he is using while demonstrating.
Casting such a distance as demonstrated here can’t be done wrong! My respect Bruce.
There is a countless amount of rod and line combinations meanwhile with a lot of variables out there. And there is individuality.
The best casters are the ones that can adapt flexibly and quickly to most combinations, not saying I am the one... We never learn out.
In passion for details of technique and power, let’s not forget what’s essential: An open mind and flexibility, then technique and muscles.
Let’s have fun and learn from each other.”

In short again: Open mind, then technique, then muscles !
This is exactly the opposite of what you assumed by a simple joke of mine, following later, about forearms and some friendly replies in joking back from others. So you had forearms quite often to read, but missed the joke behind.

Hope the misunderstanding is clearified. It seems to be a widely spread behavior of our modern times, to fly over words from others, especially in a thread, focusing on something without the context, in hurry for a fast reply. And maybe I was not clear enough or my English was too bad.

But to close the circle with a joke again:
You know and you appreciate Steve Rajeff, who has won a lot of casting records in his career (SH mainly) and you mention him in context with your absolutism (“Forearms and casting domination. Crap.”).
Have you ever seen his forearms? I did !😁

And joking apart again, to bring some other views to this subject, for what it’s worth for each of you, maybe more competition orientated than the average fishermen:
I was going through a life full of sports. I didn’t need anyone’s forearms for my sports and for my distance casting until now. If anything for me, it would only make things easier with aging.
But in general, physical individuality makes a difference in every competition sport. Better than others in physical abilities can be a substitute for not optimized technique only to a given point. But in case of perfect technique it can help to a different/better result.
And at least it can make the same result look very very unexcited, elegant and smooth in performance and consistency ... In the end, a lot comes down only to physics, adaption in technique, physical abilities and feel.
To neglect, or even further, to negate this completely, is not only wrong. It’s also pure Luxus, could feed the impression of ignorance, self being healthy, well trained and not handicapped, while others are not in this privileged situation. Unseen of forearm size...
It’s all relative.
Of course one can have the focus on competition casting with powerful men (and women) around one in the best age, like I had and still have in my sports.
But that’s not reality for all and the origin subject of this thread, as far as I understood. Both (interest in competition casting and best individual physical form possible) is not the case for the broad amount of fishermen, sadly.

May we all stay in good condition as long as possible, more or less to bomb out cast after cast in a consistent way, to swing a fly on a straight line.

All the best for you !

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Hi Wetwader,

I am not sure what you are getting at below but I think you also failed to get my humor. In the below comment I was completely joking. I said "crap" in reference to the fact that he disproved my
entire case by mentioning Rajeff ... it was in good fun because yes, the guy's forearms are the size of my thighs.

I hope and think Troutless knew that.


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Dude, why do you have to go and rip apart my argument with one name?

Forearms and casting domination. Crap.
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Hello Mr. Attack,
that’s not my style of discussion. That’s the point, where humor is failing and there should be time for a serious but friendly reply.
At least, if you call something crap, you should know what you are writing about. But you don’t. You did not read or you did not understand.

As the one who wanted to bring in humor into this discussion and was joking (“I want to have his forearms”) I would like to help you to come over your misunderstanding.
To make it easier and to put it into the right context, here is my first post to this thread:

“Very interesting thread.
It would be even more interesting, when we all could join in reality and cast side by side with each ones favorite outfit or distance setup. Nearly everything would be clear at once from the beginning without much hesitation!
Besides different casting styles and individual physical details:
Every rod and every line needs different casting, adaption in technique, stroke length, “in the box” or wide movements, and power application, as long as the aim is best distance and effectiveness as discussed here!
What might look wrong for one might be the most effective way for a given outfit that is not well known for him and others.
I for myself am Spey casting since being forced to cut double taper lines into pieces and puzzle together again in different combinations, do some Spey casting lessons in our clubs and would say I am a rod and line junkie. And by far I am not able to cast every multiple thousands of combinations in rods and lines available out there meanwhile. I would not judge anyone’s casting excessively without trying the combo he is using while demonstrating.
Casting such a distance as demonstrated here can’t be done wrong! My respect Bruce.
There is a countless amount of rod and line combinations meanwhile with a lot of variables out there. And there is individuality.
The best casters are the ones that can adapt flexibly and quickly to most combinations, not saying I am the one... We never learn out.
In passion for details of technique and power, let’s not forget what’s essential: An open mind and flexibility, then technique and muscles.
Let’s have fun and learn from each other.”

In short again: Open mind, then technique, then muscles !
This is exactly the opposite of what you assumed by a simple joke of mine, following later, about forearms and some friendly replies in joking back from others. So you had forearms quite often to read, but missed the joke behind.

Hope the misunderstanding is clearified. It seems to be a widely spread behavior of our modern times, to fly over words from others, especially in a thread, focusing on something without the context, in hurry for a fast reply. And maybe I was not clear enough or my English was too bad.

But to close the circle with a joke again:
You know and you appreciate Steve Rajeff, who has won a lot of casting records in his career (SH mainly) and you mention him in context with your absolutism (“Forearms and casting domination. Crap.”).
Have you ever seen his forearms? I did !😁

And joking apart again, to bring some other views to this subject, for what it’s worth for each of you, maybe more competition orientated than the average fishermen:
I was going through a life full of sports. I didn’t need anyone’s forearms for my sports and for my distance casting until now. If anything for me, it would only make things easier with aging.
But in general, physical individuality makes a difference in every competition sport. Better than others in physical abilities can be a substitute for not optimized technique only to a given point. But in case of perfect technique it can help to a different/better result.
And at least it can make the same result look very very unexcited, elegant and smooth in performance and consistency ... In the end, a lot comes down only to physics, adaption in technique, physical abilities and feel.
To neglect, or even further, to negate this completely, is not only wrong. It’s also pure Luxus, could feed the impression of ignorance, self being healthy, well trained and not handicapped, while others are not in this privileged situation. Unseen of forearm size...
It’s all relative.
Of course one can have the focus on competition casting with powerful men (and women) around one in the best age, like I had and still have in my sports.
But that’s not reality for all and the origin subject of this thread, as far as I understood. Both (interest in competition casting and best individual physical form possible) is not the case for the broad amount of fishermen, sadly.

May we all stay in good condition as long as possible, more or less to bomb out cast after cast in a consistent way, to swing a fly on a straight line.

All the best for you !
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What happened to this thread ?? It was doing so well.
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What happened to this thread ?? It was doing so well.
No kidding, I thought Attack's response to Troutless was pretty funny.
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What happened to this thread ?? It was doing so well.
It's the inter webs. Letters home to your mom from summer camp would turn into a fight.
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It's the inter webs. Letters home to your mom from summer camp would turn into a fight.
Boy that is obvious. The only offensive thing in this thread is by Attack, who says "the guy's forearms are the size of my thighs." Clearly a put down from a tall, skinny person with narrow thighs against those of us who are short and stout. I take offense and dam* all of you tall people with skinny thighs!
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