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... not nearly as important to the day to day angler as it obviously to is to a competitive caster.
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Consistent actual distance is a great marker as to how good of a caster youíve become.
As an example in face of various winds you can still make fish able casts when other cannot......the list goes on and on.....plus itís just plain fun when the fishing is slow to be making great casts whether long or just pretty tight loops or both at the same time

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when i am curious i know how long my line is and i see how much running line is still on the reel. i don't count the leader.

i think a much better question is how far away is the fish and where do you find the best angle to present a fly.

there are several runs on the North Umpqua i fish twice, the first pass i fish from one position covering the whole run with long casts
then i wade down it picking it apart seam by seam.. i hook far more fish on the second pass.

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Consistent actual distance is a great marker as to how good of a caster youíve become.
As an example in face of various winds you can still make fish able casts when other cannot......the list goes on and on....
While I totally agree with all this, my impression is, for the average caster, there is a point where the effort required to increase consistent actual distance -- emphasis, CONSISTENT and ACTUAL -- increases exponentially, for rather small returns in improvement of actual fishing success. While my fishing success could doubtless improve immeasurably, I'm definitely at the point where greater distance is a tough game. And I don't think I'm alone. Getting to, to take one metric earlier in the thread, 150ft consistent, with a 15ft rod, is very challenging and those who can, who are few, have my great respect. So that has to leave this:

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plus itís just plain fun when the fishing is slow to be making great casts whether long or just pretty tight loops or both at the same time
Yeah. Because it's fun.
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I think a good indication of how good of a caster you are becoming are how much or rather how little physical effort you put into your casts, and how pretty your casts look at distance.

how quietly your anchor lands is also another great indicator

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when i am curious i know how long my line is and i see how much running line is still on the reel. i don't count the leader.

i think a much better question is how far away is the fish and where do you find the best angle to present a fly.

there are several runs on the North Umpqua i fish twice, the first pass i fish from one position covering the whole run with long casts
then i wade down it picking it apart seam by seam.. i hook far more fish on the second pass.

I have really learned that for me, its all about the short game.
I've also learned that I want to fish like trout fisherman do; probing nooks and crannies and the spey thing has downsized and morphed to suit my new style.
That random cast 80 ft., swing step stuff; onlyy seeking out pieces of water that allow it? just has no real though behind it most of the time in my waters in the GL. Most of my water is way, way, smaller than the PNW streams.
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when i am curious i know how long my line is and i see how much running line is still on the reel. i don't count the leader.

i think a much better question is how far away is the fish and where do you find the best angle to present a fly.

there are several runs on the North Umpqua i fish twice, the first pass i fish from one position covering the whole run with long casts
then i wade down it picking it apart seam by seam.. i hook far more fish on the second pass.
[QUOTE=roballen;2445462]I think a good indication of how good of a caster you are becoming are how much or rather how little physical effort you put into your casts, and how pretty your casts look at distance.

how quietly your anchor lands is also another great indicator[/QUOTE

Works for me and it's not about lying about a 90' cast when its s only 80 or about measuring-up either.

Those are a broader set of indicators for consistency and thus better than being so fixated on legit/actual distance alone.
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Consistent actual distance is a great marker as to how good of a caster youíve become.
As an example in face of various winds you can still make fish able casts when other cannot......the list goes on and on.....plus itís just plain fun when the fishing is slow to be making great casts whether long or just pretty tight loops or both at the same time
Im with you as far as consistency and... Yeah! It IS a lot of fun.
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I think a good indication of how good of a caster you are becoming are how much or rather how little physical effort you put into your casts, and how pretty your casts look at distance.

how quietly your anchor lands is also another great indicator[/QUOTE

Works for me and it's not about lying about a 90' cast when its s only 80 or about measuring-up either.

Those are a broader set of indicators for consistency and thus better than being so fixated on legit/actual distance alone.
You donít cast far by brute force or making mistakes in the cast anywhere
The longest casts are dead perfect anchor placement and beautiful to watch with minimal effort......the harder you try the less far it goes lol
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You donít cast far by brute force or making mistakes in the cast anywhere
The longest casts are dead perfect anchor placement and beautiful to watch with minimal effort......the harder you try the less far it goes lol

I remember those days when the stars all align, the flow is just the right speed and the line goes out in a nice tight loop and lands where you want it. Then there's the rest of the year.
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You donít cast far by brute force or making mistakes in the cast anywhere
The longest casts are dead perfect anchor placement and beautiful to watch with minimal effort......the harder you try the less far it goes lol
Iím screwed then just hitting it harder makes such intuitive sense! My brain says ďsmoothĒ yet my arms still go ďMORE!Ē
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You donít cast far by brute force or making mistakes in the cast anywhere
The longest casts are dead perfect anchor placement and beautiful to watch with minimal effort......the harder you try the less far it goes lol
That is not my statement. I don't understand how my handle is showing up in that quote.

I've seen perfect form so it is something to strive for.

On the other hand there is also a lot of technique that is based on brute force to slog through casting faults... and it is perfected only it's not considered casting faults since it is intentional.
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That is not my statement. I don't understand how my handle is showing up in that quote.
Vic, c'mon, you know by now that's not how the interwebs work. Pleading some tech glitch will get you nowhere. This is you're quote forever and ever and ever and ever.........
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That is not my statement. I don't understand how my handle is showing up in that quote.

I've seen perfect form so it is something to strive for.

On the other hand there is also a lot of technique that is based on brute force to slog through casting faults... and it is perfected only it's not considered casting faults since it is intentional.
Can you please elaborate on this statement Vic about brute force being a technique and give some examples

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I'm thinking that one does not make 60 yard field goals, 500 foot home runs, or OhMyGawd spey casts with perfect technique alone. They take perfect technique combined with extra power.
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