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I hope I clear up a little confusion about the different styles of two handed casting. Although I might have made it sound More confusing!

... the pseudo-science of running-lines and matching heads has now devolved into such a miasma of obfuscation that it is a wonder that people are even not more confused....Erik Helm

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Dammit, Tim, couldn't you have done this 15 years ago?!?!

Great stuff.
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Dammit, Tim, couldn't you have done this 15 years ago?!?!

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No kidding! But it took me over 10 years to figure out myself and its still not an entirely complete understanding. But there are a lot of new guys and I figure they can benefit from a rough outline of the Styles etc. thanks buddy

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By the way, here is a link about ad blockers for my Speypages friends, so you can watch the videos without the youtube ads.

... the pseudo-science of running-lines and matching heads has now devolved into such a miasma of obfuscation that it is a wonder that people are even not more confused....Erik Helm

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.... and its still not an entirely complete understanding.
That's part of what I love about it. It will always be interesting. I don't have the time to devote to it to ever know all there is to know, so I can always keep learning. Though it's definitely not a straight path.
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Do you know why your videos are such a hit with us ?? It's because you keep it real
You seem to be on the same page as most of us. Just want the info, a quick demo, personal faults and cures (or what at least is working for you), humor and that personal touch. I like the way you interpret the fancy terminology that's out there today. You break it down so even the rookie guys don't feel all intimidated over this sport, like they have to learn some sort of Voodoo or become a physicist in order to cast.

I like you brother
I'd rather watch one of your videos any day over some of the corporate produced fancy stuff that's being offered now days ....

Good on you Tim for keeping it real !!!


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That is - Awesome!

"Skagit" style has always been made-out to be more complicated than it ought to be...
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That is - Awesome!

"Skagit" style has always been made-out to be more complicated than it ought to be...
I agree that maybe we have geeked out on the finer points of Skagit casting at times which I have enjoyed.

I'm still convinced, there are nuances and finer points that can always be discovered and improved upon to make one a more advanced Skagit caster. I have continued to explore and experiment, often with a statement that Ed Ward, or other members I respect, produce here on Speypages, bouncing around in my mind.

Glad you liked it Vic, Always like to hear your point of view. Thanks for the comment. I truly appreciate the support and encouragement very much.

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I agree that maybe we have geeked out on the finer points of Skagit casting at times which I have enjoyed.

I'm still convinced, there are nuances and finer points that can always be discovered and improved upon to make one a more advanced Skagit caster. I have continued to explore and experiment, often with a statement that Ed Ward, or other members I respect, produce here on Speypages, bouncing around in my mind.

Glad you liked it Vic, Always like to hear your point of view. Thanks for the comment. I truly appreciate the support and encouragement very much.
Thank you Tim.

That's what it all about; To encourage one another and the exchange of ideas.

I don't mean to be dismissive just have always felt that what Ed Ward says to be essentially the same as what Simon Gawesworth says - just different wording. The small differences between styles are largely due to the different line tapers and line systems: Tackle IOW. The experts seem to disagree on what constitutes the skagit style alone. I think there are as many casting styles as there are anglers. Im not a disciplined caster the way you mention in your video, or the way Ed is with skahit heads - Im all over the place with different lines styles. That may be my biggest fault in certain ways - but a strong point in many others.

A few months ago while looking for "skagit heads single spey casts" (I know guys are doing it) I found the vid of Mike Kinney that you used in your vid. He is still a member here althogh hasn't posted in a long time. He says timing is everything - even more so with a skagit head. Isn't he utilizing the "waterborne" anchor and not T-n-G?I know casts tend to be lumped into either one or the other (either waterborne or T-n-G) but the double-spey, the single-spey, and snake-roll can go either way...

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Thank you Tim.

That's what it all about; To encourage one another and the exchange of ideas.

I don't mean to be dismissive just have always felt that what Ed Ward says to be essentially the same as what Simon Gawesworth says - just different wording. The small differences between styles are largely due to the different line tapers and line systems: Tackle IOW. The experts seem to disagree on what constitutes the skagit style alone. I think there are as many casting styles as there are anglers. Im not a disciplined caster the way you mention in your video, or the way Ed is with skahit heads - Im all over the place with different lines styles. That may be my biggest fault in certain ways - but a strong point in many others.

A few months ago while looking for "skagit heads single spey casts" (I know guys are doing it) I found the vid of Mike Kinney that you used in your vid. He is still a member here althogh hasn't posted in a long time. He says timing is everything - even more so with a skagit head. Isn't he utilizing the "waterborne" anchor and not T-n-G?I know casts tend to be lumped into either one or the other (either waterborne or T-n-G) but the double-spey, the single-spey, and snake-roll can go either way...

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Thanks Vic, good stuff. Mike uses both waterborn and touch and go, such as the Snap T and the switch cast or single spey in the video I made with him in it.

I think of the double Spey as a waterborn anchor or sustained anchor.

The single spey and snake roll I consider touch and go.

I do notice on some of the waterborn anchor casts Mike does that the anchor jumps out of the water and lands again before the forward cast. I see that in some of George Cooks casting displays also.

I still consider that waterborne. It's probably incidental but I guess a case can be made that its a combo of both

Interesting though, I wonder if seeing that jump in the anchor before the forward cast might confuse someone just starting out? I mean, more confused than they already are?

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SkagitMiester- - - Thank you very much for your video & especially that demonstration with the butt end of your rod. Listened to many discs and read a lot, but I confuse myself easily. Your KISS explaination helps me categorize the sweep & D-Loop delivery terminology that has kept me in a fog. Got into the Skagit game late, but purely love the specialized ability it offers the use of heavy sink tips with intruders and little or no backcast room. Greatly admire those that developed this unique PNW method & intruder flies.
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SkagitMiester- - - Thank you very much for your video & especially that demonstration with the butt end of your rod. Listened to many discs and read a lot, but I confuse myself easily. Your KISS explaination helps me categorize the sweep & D-Loop delivery terminology that has kept me in a fog. Got into the Skagit game late, but purely love the specialized ability it offers the use of heavy sink tips with intruders and little or no backcast room. Greatly admire those that developed this unique PNW method & intruder flies.
Thanks Bently, you are welcome. I confuse myself easily too, overthinking and such, maybe that's why I try to break it down into bite sized chunks

whenever I am with the really, really good casters I try to ask questions and wonder how much I dont know at this point. Also. Spey pages has been a great community for me to learn in for sure. Thank you.
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complicating things is what makes unneeded products sell. it's not really different than single hand casting. long line long stroke short line short stroke. I cast all kinds of line with the same style and with the same casts at pretty much all the same speed and accelerations. the only difference is how far my body rotates and how far my arms move.
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complicating things is what makes unneeded products sell. it's not really different than single hand casting. long line long stroke short line short stroke. I cast all kinds of line with the same style and with the same casts at pretty much all the same speed and accelerations. the only difference is how far my body rotates and how far my arms move.
I agree and I think that is the trick to being the best caster a person can be, which I am not, because I play around too much with different techniques...

but I would say that the difference of speed in the sweep of an underhand cast with a very short shooting head is slower than of a than a long line..for me at least.

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Good and concise overview.

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