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... the pseudo-science of running-lines and matching heads has now devolved into such a miasma of obfuscation that it is a wonder that people are even not more confused....Erik Helm

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Is this you actually learning your left side casting for the first time? If so not bad. Whatever works for you going one way will of course work in mirror image, but a lot of people find, once they get over the initial awkward weird feeling, that they automatically make a nicer loop left handed with the bottom hand now their “dominant” one.

It might be interesting and useful for people if you were to document the learning process all the way through. Ones “handedness” is not an innate character or brain trait in spite of a lot of malarkey fed to us from birth on this subject. It feels very hard to learn at first, but it is exactly as hard (and no harder) than learning to cast right hand up for the first time. Having learned to do it one way somehow our brains tell us we know how to do it already, and therefore we must be broken in some way when we try to do it the other way. But that feeling will go completely away once you build up your muscle memory on the other side, which has to be done from scratch. I honestly don’t feel any difference anymore in either the performance of the casts, or my desire to do them, with either hand up.

A good way I found, back when I consciously was forcing myself to learn to switch, that slightly harnesses the knowledge you already have on your “dominant” side, is to find some still water and do the various casts back and forth in mirror image. I think the body can in that way more easily imitate in mirror image the movements of the more experienced side even before it actually starts to FEEL right. Anyway, seemed to really help me in quickly learning to balance things out.

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Great tips.
The problem for me I feel is muscle memory. 17-18 years of single hand fishing has made is a little difficult to use the bottom hand as much as I need to, my right hand/upper wants to push it out or reach out. Been a nightmare to get over, gettin there.
When I switch hands and put the left hand on top, I do ok - its just not comfortable/natural.

I have a buddy fished his entire life, conventional gear. Grabbed himself a two hand set up and casts great. Pisses me a little... lol. Ive never seen him wield a single hand rod, he’d probably do fine..
Ive noticed that guys that have done a lot of single
hand fly fishing struggle more so than someone whos never touched a fly rod. I have only fished with four dudes that use two handers - not a lot of exposure, just what I have observed.

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She must have been putty in your hands after that soliloquy.

Good stuff. I have no left, and when I get to to fish, I want to fish, so I continue to have no left. Must mean I need to get out more.
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Is this you actually learning your left side casting for the first time? If so not bad. Whatever works for you going one way will of course work in mirror image, but a lot of people find, once they get over the initial awkward weird feeling, that they automatically make a nicer loop left handed with the bottom hand now their “dominant” one.

It might be interesting and useful for people if you were to document the learning process all the way through. Ones “handedness” is not an innate character or brain trait in spite of a lot of malarkey fed to us from birth on this subject. It feels very hard to learn at first, but it is exactly as hard (and no harder) than learning to cast right hand up for the first time. Having learned to do it one way somehow our brains tell us we know how to do it already, and therefore we must be broken in some way when we try to do it the other way. But that feeling will go completely away once you build up your muscle memory on the other side, which has to be done from scratch. I honestly don’t feel any difference anymore in either the performance of the casts, or my desire to do them, with either hand up.

A good way I found, back when I consciously was forcing myself to learn to switch, that slightly harnesses the knowledge you already have on your “dominant” side, is to find some still water and do the various casts back and forth in mirror image. I think the body can in that way more easily imitate in mirror image the movements of the more experienced side even before it actually starts to FEEL right. Anyway, seemed to really help me in quickly learning to balance things out.
No, its not my first time. I cast longer lines a fair amount with my left but have not practiced a lot with heavy skagit rigs particularly touch and go with my left hand up. Definitely needs to be a priority.

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That was hilarious! When you said there was a happy ending coming up I got nervous.

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That was hilarious! When you said there was a happy ending coming up I got nervous.

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Haha, thanks Dan, I think the happiest time for most viewers was when the video ended
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When I was learning to spey cast with a switch rod, cack handed casting just did not work for me so I added using both hands up to the learning curve. And strip retrieve with either hand. Looking back I'm glad I forced myself to learn and embed the muscle memory for using both hands. Still can't cast a single hander left handed for beans. Seems most really good spey casters cast cack handed and make it look so easy and natural. It goes to show there's more than one way to get the same result. A big part of the fun is trying different stuff and finding what works for you. And thanks to Ed & Skagit Master as absorbing it improved my spey casting a bunch. Really like your videos, keep doing more.
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Here is more weak side casting (left hand up) I am releasing the entire tribute. Just in case your weathered in and playing online. I have practice more long line stuff left handed than short lines but it all requires lots of reps! Thank you very much for watching
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Getting real creative and artsy Tim. Nice job, both the video and the casting.

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That just shows and proves that time on the water working on your weaknesses pays off! In spades!

Now it's not a weakness, eh? You were poundin' 'em out there, dude!

Nice work!
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Mr. SkagitMiester, linespeedjedi....Tim.

I have to say that I thoroughly enjoy your videos.
I only recently have gotten into the world of 2 handed rods/casting.
I chose to start out with a 11'9" Switch rod setup with a Skagit head...targeting BC Steelhead. I am lucky to have a Steelhead bearing river within walking distance of my home and several others within 1-2 hours driving distance.
I have really spent a lot of time practicing my casts, both river left and river right. And am now at the point where I can not only get good distance when required but also with a fair amount of accuracy. I credit many of your videos and tips greatly in aiding me in this endeavour.
What impresses me to no end is your commitment to the sport and your generosity in sharing your knowledge. I appreciate that you show the good casts along with the bad, this IMO is a powerful aide in discovering my own faults in casting.
I love your patient and gentle nature. You truly are a beautiful human being and a great ambassador to the sport. Please, please never stop.

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Mr. SkagitMiester, linespeedjedi....Tim.

I have to say that I thoroughly enjoy your videos.
I only recently have gotten into the world of 2 handed rods/casting.
I chose to start out with a 11'9" Switch rod setup with a Skagit head...targeting BC Steelhead. I am lucky to have a Steelhead bearing river within walking distance of my home and several others within 1-2 hours driving distance.
I have really spent a lot of time practicing my casts, both river left and river right. And am now at the point where I can not only get good distance when required but also with a fair amount of accuracy. I credit many of your videos and tips greatly in aiding me in this endeavour.
What impresses me to no end is your commitment to the sport and your generosity in sharing your knowledge. I appreciate that you show the good casts along with the bad, this IMO is a powerful aide in discovering my own faults in casting.
I love your patient and gentle nature. You truly are a beautiful human being and a great ambassador to the sport. Please, please never stop.

Many thanks.

Rob
Rob! You had me at "I live in walking distance of a Steelhead bearing river." That is awesome buddy! Thanks so much for the kind words that truly makes my day.

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It's a somewhat small river, doesn't bear a lot, but it does reward from time to time.
It is great spot to walk to after work, even just to get some casting practise in.


So.. now I gotta figure out the left arm cast too...
Might as well try, as my kack hand casts are in the same early stages.... weak
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Well darn, I wish I knew how to cast strong side! The weak side comes so easy for me........I get jealous Tim watching you cast strong side!! Seriously though, drives me friggin’ bonkers having trouble on the strong side

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