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Casting a long belly line in tight to shore

I had recently kind of hijacked another thread here because of a remark made that long belly lines need more room than short or Skagit style lines when in tight to shore.
I’m sharing this video to clear up this argument and put to rest this notion.
I am hard up against the rocks with my shins, steep drop off right there.
If my line were to go into these rocks it would be caught and wrapped up badly.....I know as I have had this happen lol.
Long story short I was just fishing down the run (this is not a one off cast) when my friend Mark who was below me caught this on his phone.
I am using a 15ft rod with a 70 ft head with good overhang and a quick sink 10ft Polly leader with 5ft of tippet and a metal tube fly.
As can be seen I have no issues and happily fished all the way down and hit the seam that is waaay out there
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Seeing is believing, especially where the turn in the d-loop is! Very inspirational/aspirational, if not exactly giving me any confidence I will be able to reproduce the results any time soon.
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Bruce - hopefully I don’t hijack your thread with this comment. I agree that a long belly works in tight quarters. I often accomplish this by “flattening and lengthening” my Snake roll stroke but I also was taught by Kush several years ago that a perry poke worked great with long bellies. If my back is tight up against the bank, I will often throw a Poke.

Btw - great cast and video
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That is a loooooonng cast! What head are you using?

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That is a loooooonng cast! What head are you using?

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..... was taught by Kush several years ago that a perry poke worked great with long bellies. If my back is tight up against the bank, I will often throw a Poke.

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Not to steal the OP's well-deserved thunder.... I know Kush is big on the Poke -- showed me an interesting variation a few years ago -- but have never seen him do that with a longer head. Interesting.

So, can a 15 foot rod poke a 70 foot belly/head from tight against the bank/rock wall?

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Not to steal the OP's well-deserved thunder.... I know Kush is big on the Poke -- showed me an interesting variation a few years ago -- but have never seen him do that with a longer head. Interesting.

So, can a 15 foot rod poke a 70 foot belly/head from tight against the bank/rock wall?
it can easily but why bother? A single spey off either side will do the trick and is far more efficient!
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Nice demo,

Was the video took?

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I too was wondering about the river. Is that the Columbia?
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Long belly, mid belly, sowbelly, belly button. . . hells bells, I don't know but, you sure throw one heck of a cast!
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Great Cast Bruce. I do know that longer lines are surprisingly effective at casting some pretty gnarly flies and tips. I've wondered if it is because all of the mass of the line spread out in the lenght, with the linespeed that can be created has something to do with it. ie, it takes mass to turn over mass, but in what form? I also wonder if longer lines dont have the edge in tight places, minus the stinking trees of course, because of the linespeed created when the anchor is so far in front.

I also think its good that you are challenging the status quo and I have basically come to the point where I question everything or at least experience it for myself. I seriously enjoy every form of casting and have learned how so many of them can be combined. I continue to keep an open mind, Sometimes I fall for the marketing and Parot the status quo without asking myself, Do I really know what I'm talking about???
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What head are you using?
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May I ask what was the length of the head?

Glad to see some long belly discussions. I have a brand new XLT waiting to be spooled onto a big reel.
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I had recently kind of hijacked another thread here because of a remark made that long belly lines need more room than short or Skagit style lines when in tight to shore.
I’m sharing this video to clear up this argument and put to rest this notion.
I am hard up against the rocks with my shins, steep drop off right there.
If my line were to go into these rocks it would be caught and wrapped up badly.....I know as I have had this happen lol.
Long story short I was just fishing down the run (this is not a one off cast) when my friend Mark who was below me caught this on his phone.
I am using a 15ft rod with a 70 ft head with good overhang and a quick sink 10ft Polly leader with 5ft of tippet and a metal tube fly.
As can be seen I have no issues and happily fished all the way down and hit the seam that is waaay out there
Cheers

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Nice cast Bruce. I've seen this vid elsewhere Had some questions then.
Do you cast this way ALL the time? Wondering since it seems limited in change of direction when setting the anchor/fly out so far.

I know of several similar "tight spots" just like in the vid - but only because those spots are best covered from THAT side of the river than from the other. Out of necessity IOW.

At other "tight-spots" (Kalama River just for example) I would go for a short or mid-belly instead because they "fit" better...

Nice cast though: Positive turn-over even though the belly seems to drop ahead of the fly.

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I too was wondering about the river. Is that the Columbia?
Yes to the upper Columbia Canada side
Big river where long casts get rewarded sometimes with some nice trout
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