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Ed Ward Style Perry Poke

Here is an article and several videos about transitioning from my modified Perry Poke to Ed Ward's Style of Perry Poke implementing the line dump he emphasized in his latest Perry Poke video which is also featured.

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Great vids!
I really like the perry poke, as it can be, IMO, one of the stealthier water-borne casts when targeting spooky fish on the beach or river. Rather than slapping line down and ripping it out, I simply lift the rod vertically to gain some slack, gently drop a loop in front, load a d-loop, then drive out over top of the line dump. With spooky beach coho, the less commotion the better.
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Great vids!
I really like the perry poke, as it can be, IMO, one of the stealthier water-borne casts when targeting spooky fish on the beach or river. Rather than slapping line down and ripping it out, I simply lift the rod vertically to gain some slack, gently drop a loop in front, load a d-loop, then drive out over top of the line dump. With spooky beach coho, the less commotion the better.
Thanks, Herkileez, That's a great idea, since the anchor can be set down slightly in the rears, I never thought of it like that, because I have been placing the anchor in front but now I see the advantages of more rear-ish placement.

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Thanks, Herkileez, That's a great idea, since the anchor can be set down slightly in the rears, I never thought of it like that, because I have been placing the anchor in front but now I see the advantages of more rear-ish placement.
I drop the loop/anchor in front of me. I've just found there's no need to slap it down, but just gently drop a loop in front, before forming the D-loop and firing overtop.
It's much quieter than the double spey, or circle-C/snap-T white mouse ripping casts I was doing.
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I could be completely wrong in my interpretation, but

One reason for "slapping" the rod down abruptly during the reposition is to drive energy through the entire line, straightening and purposely inverting the tip, leader, and fly to the rear and orienting it 180 degrees opposite the direction of the intended forward cast. The focus is (as much) on the positioning, orientation and complete straightening of the tip, leader, and fly prior to the forward stroke as what is going on in front of the rod.

Alternately, simply pulling in slack with a rearward vertical lift and more gently laying it down in a "pile" in front of or alongside the caster can leave the tip, leader, and fly in a "pile" as well--when that technique is used, I employ the "out and around" of the wrap cast, hoping the tip, leader, and fly (as a single unit) will simply rotate 270 degrees while staying more or less in position. It is a "quieter" cast, and it feels like the outward bow and mass of the head has a more important role than in the first example.

They both have their place and both work, as long as you don't mix the two techniques within a single cast.

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One reason for "slapping" the rod down abruptly during the reposition is to drive energy through the entire line, straightening and purposely inverting the tip, leader, and fly to the rear and orienting it 180 degrees opposite the direction of the intended forward cast. The focus is (as much) on the positioning, orientation and complete straightening of the tip, leader, and fly prior to the forward stroke as what is going on in front of the rod.
You mean that slapping line make the leader and the tip landing ahead of the fly? I think the best efficiency of all sustained anchor casts the Perry Poke comes when the anchor comes better aligned to the casting direction which makes the anchor hold better but also lifts out of water easier.

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The perry poke is not a cast I use often but I rely on it when I'm very close to obstructions that will hinder my d loop formation. In those situations I pitch my anchor as far forward as I can get away with. Mostly I use the poke when whatever cast I initially started with goes awry and my anchor sucks, but I'll try and pay more attention to how I do it and see if I like the results any better if I change the anchor placement.
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When down stream wind instead of Double Spey I like to set the anchor using first half of Snake Roll and then launch using the Poke and gain about 10ft distance. Line loop just comes better when anchor comes straighter than on DS. Also my normal PP is bit better than my Snap/Circle.

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