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Underhand....Simplified. Finally

Ok, One more short video, with brand new footage of my best attempt at a pure underhand cast, as right as I could get it with my limited knowledge and experience, using a floating shooting head, with a long leader.

A concise, brief (but not totally complete) explanation of my idea of the cast made with the long leader, simple directions I follow, the advantages, how I'm doing it, with a brief explanation of why it's done with the long leader, for anybody interested in giving her a whirl. It's not perfect but I really had fun making the casts and the video. Thanks

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Thanks for sharing your video.
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This and your previous Scandi/Underhand videos are great!

Perhaps the anchor thing you should observe more? It seems the long mono leader is what holds good because its mass is very light and then line energy comes low and then water resistance comes relatively high. Skagit line which has short leader blows easy. I think this video shows the phenomenon what exists in water anchor as well:

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This and your previous Scandi/Underhand videos are great!

Perhaps the anchor thing you should observe more? It seems the long mono leader is what holds good because its mass is very light and then line energy comes low and then water resistance comes relatively high. Skagit line which has short leader blows easy. I think this video shows the phenomenon what exists in water anchor as well:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_dQJBBklpQQ
Thanks, Bender. I like the way you think outside the box and give me alternate ways of looking at things. I try to think outside the box myself but it's helpful to have extra sets of eyes. Great video too! Thanks.

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This and your previous Scandi/Underhand videos are great!

Perhaps the anchor thing you should observe more? It seems the long mono leader is what holds good because its mass is very light and then line energy comes low and then water resistance comes relatively high. Skagit line which has short leader blows easy. I think this video shows the phenomenon what exists in water anchor as well:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_dQJBBklpQQ
You make me think.

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Tim, I managed to take a water anchor video of a typical heavy Skagit tip which here is 15ft T18 and typical Scandi tip 15ft 30lbs mono which both I did cast same time attached to a Skagit belly. I had made a mechanical latch which did release both "flyes" simultaneously. I pulled the middle of the head back and in to the air using mono line forming a D-loop like it would come in an almost perfect pointy V-loop. I released the D-loop go simultaneously I began the forward cast.

The "fly" which is on T18 got pulled in to the water slightly which normally happens when sustained anchor casting is done. The fly acceleration did not come smooth and I think it was because of the D-loop release timing and before "launch" the sagging rod leg obviously did shoot upwards and there came a wave but that did not effect the comparison. However the "fly" which was behind the mono did lift airborne without much "blowing" but the T18 did cause about 3 feet of anchor "blow".

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Nice slo mo work and of course, nice casts.
Wondering ----what the 3 light colored wraps on the rod are for?

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Tim, I managed to take a water anchor video of a typical heavy Skagit tip which here is 15ft T18 and typical Scandi tip 15ft 30lbs mono which both I did cast same time attached to a Skagit belly. I had made a mechanical latch which did release both "flyes" simultaneously. I pulled the middle of the head back and in to the air using mono line forming a D-loop like it would come in an almost perfect pointy V-loop. I released the D-loop go simultaneously I began the forward cast.

The "fly" which is on T18 got pulled in to the water slightly which normally happens when sustained anchor casting is done. The fly acceleration did not come smooth and I think it was because of the D-loop release timing and before "launch" the sagging rod leg obviously did shoot upwards and there came a wave but that did not effect the comparison. However the "fly" which was behind the mono did lift airborne without much "blowing" but the T18 did cause about 3 feet of anchor "blow".

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ok, I had to watch that a few times to understand, but I get it. Interesting. I'll give some thought to this and try to come up with another video addressing the issue of the long mono leader and slippage of the fly on the forward cast when only the leader is anchored as in underhand. Thanks for the input Esa.

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Nice slo mo work and of course, nice casts.
Wondering ----what the 3 light colored wraps on the rod are for?
Hey, thanks, Speyday. I have broken this rod several times and lost sections due to neglect and rough treatment. I think the butt section is the only original piece left. The section with the colored wraps is the last one I broke. I taped the eyes back on with masking tape and have never taken the time to properly wrap them.

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