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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-28-2017, 08:10 PM
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Thanks for posting this. This is some inspirational stuff, especially the last one
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This has good casting:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JTgbI83j6AI

This has good and bad casts but shows that we can do many things with a fly line

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dCbbgugFVOE
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Tongariro Roll Cast...

In the Tongariro roll cast video above, the caster when asked why it took a long while to learn the cast replies:

"because nobody showed me, and the people who were doing it wouldn't tell me, so I basically had to figure it out myself, by trial and error"...

Fortunately the gentleman in the video is of a much more sharing spirit.

Some may notice that the technique employs several tactics of non-linear sustained anchor casting--constant tension and "out and around" (during the final sweep). When combined with the more conventional techniques of linear casting it makes for a powerful outcome.

Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist...


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Bender,

If you had a chance to watch the video shot in "night vision", is the cast that starts at approx. 0:40 the SH version of the advanced double spey discussed in Gawesworth's book?
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Yoda,

Every bobber fisherman needs to know this cast. When appropriate, I always suggest watching the video when I see someone struggling to get a cast out. I've also suggested to a shop owner and a couple of guides that they give a bit of coaching on the TRC to new anglers but they seemed indifferent.
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last march I had the pleasure of meeting the man in the top video on, of course, the tongariro.

what isn't explained in the video is that along with the bobber there is a very heavy lead sinker on that line... and I mean heavy.

one should not expect to be able to swing the tongariro as 99.8% of the fishermen lining that system are bobber fishing with a nymph.
cast, lift, cast, repeat.
admittedly this is the most successful of fishing methods and as one cannot purchase trout in nz these gentlemen are fishing for their food... everything (everything) gets knocked on the head.

a very sexy cast, true... but once you've seen the rig you can see why it travels so far.

and would I swing the tongariro again? simple answer, no.

after seeing what type of fishing occurs, the so-called conservation with the resident's handling of fish and the attitude towards extortionate licence fee paying visitors put me well off.

and nz happy hour?
well I'm not entirely certain what day of the year that falls upon.

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ps. your money is better spent on the west coast of america. as is mine.

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See here for the Kiwi version of a Michigan Spider: Tongariro Roll Cast
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On the Tongariro (first time I have heard of it) - I kind of came up spontaneously with a cast one time fishing on pyramid lake with a short switch rod. Kind of a unusual situation with the technique used there, but after you slowly strip in nearly all of the fast-sinking shooting head is still on the bottom in 3-4 under water. I ended up through trial and error just doing what I thought of as a series of gentle back and forth double spey sweeps, and the 30' head would just snake right out of the water column following a zig zag up until the last one with the whole head out and the anchor near the surface and lined up, and you fire the cast. By the end of the day switching back to trying to muscle a roll cast (or sometimes two) out seemed like a crazy hard effort by comparison. I figured this was probably an actual cast with a name, but never found out. If it doesn't have a name I like the "Tongariro Eel cast". Except for having a sinking head it is very similar to the Tongariro. I guess all of these might be best catigorized as pokes. I later figured I could also do this if I had stripped almost all the way to the end of the head by doing the same gentle sweeps but keeping a little pressure on the line against the cork. With the right amount of pressure I could let the head out of the tip at the same time I was sweeping the head out. I was never able to get the timing and pressure just right so the head came out at the same time then line came out but it was pretty cool.

In the video he seemed to have things all lined up and ready "enough" a few time, and still took and extra back and forth sweep. I figured the last one though not %100 required was because for a single hand caster I bet it feel comfortably like one last "false cast", and if he is using a more trouty taper line I bet he can get a little more energy into it to make up for a lighter head. At any rate he seems to have got it pretty nailed.
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Bender,

If you had a chance to watch the video shot in "night vision", is the cast that starts at approx. 0:40 the SH version of the advanced double spey discussed in Gawesworth's book?
Yes I had! I have only the Rio video and yes you're right it seems to be the same! Now there the first part seems to lift the whole line head in to the air and possibly Gawesworth did too. What is good in this kind of videos is that it proofs we can do many kind of line manipulation to set the D-loop!

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Long time I thought the Tongariro cast was a joke! Now I think it is just an unnecessarily complicated cast!

The Perry Poke is much easier and better when caster uses two grip points of the running/shooting line. First a good hold where the actual cast will be launched and then enought line head is pulled in so that anchor set comes easy. Then the anchor is set and the line head is let run out of rod guides on the first partial forward false cast. I don't remember what that "flop" part should be called?

When DH casting I use bottom hand grip from the line for actual cast position and top hand middle finger grip for anchor setting part. For SH casting line hand holds the line where comes right length of overhang for the haul and rod hand holds the first releasable line coil.

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