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Spiral Spey?

Am I on crack or is one of these a spiral Single and the other something entirely different?



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You are definitely not on Crack the first one is a spiral single spey not sure what you would call the second one .
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Spiral single invented by Steve Choate!

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Neither one is a spiral single spey, right . . . invented by Choate.
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Actually, on further viewing the first one I guess is a spiral spey . . . but it's on such a short line it appears pretty weird.

The spiral single spey was invented on, and especially for longer belly lines and is especially useful where there's a lot of wind, or a lot of line stick.

Really useful with long belly and sink tips as those are tough to cast because the spiral is effective on lifting a sunk head and breaking the water tension.

It just looks weird with such a short line and I don't see its usefulness in such a situation. With short lines I'm sure a snap T would be a more useful cast.
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Snake roll or spiral

how about the one that scandi casters like Granbo and Mortensen do, also Frimor? Its counter clock wise and thrown in when doing a single Spey. Or would that be a reverse snake roll?

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Here Eoin Fairgrieve shows demanding but therefore good line control excercise "multi spiral spey" and also valid but rare fishing cast the snap-Z

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I finally enlarged Hazlett's video so that I could more closely analyze it.

Now I know the other reason the cast looked so weird to me: He's on river left and his spiral is clockwise.

Steve Choate's spiral single spey on river left, right hand dominate cast uses a counter-clockwise spiral. On river right, you use a clockwise spiral left hand dominate. First move is always toward the river, not the bank.

Like Poppy says, it really doesn't matter if it works for you, but over 15 years ago, that's how Steve taught me the cast.

Personally, I use the cast with Scandis and with long belly lines. But I don't use the cast with Skagit lines.
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I finally enlarged Hazlett's video so that I could more closely analyze it.

Now I know the other reason the cast looked so weird to me: He's on river left and his spiral is clockwise.

Steve Choate's spiral single spey on river left, right hand dominate cast uses a counter-clockwise spiral. On river right, you use a clockwise spiral left hand dominate. First move is always toward the river, not the bank.

Like Poppy says, it really doesn't matter if it works for you, but over 15 years ago, that's how Steve taught me the cast.

Personally, I use the cast with Scandis and with long belly lines. But I don't use the cast with Skagit lines.
To me it looks like the cast done in the video shows that the spiral is towards the bank and is done in a clockwise motion.

In the video from the 2003 Sandy river Spey Clave Steve demonstrates the spiral single while Wye Yin does the commentary the cast is performed on river left with the spiral being performed in a counter clockwise direction and the first movement after the lift is directed to the bank.

Your statement about the rotation for both right and left banks are correct but your last statement contradicts the first.


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how about the one that scandi casters like Granbo and Mortinsen do, also Filmore? Its counter clock wise and thrown in when doing a single spey. Or would that be a reverse snake roll?
I'd be great Tim if you use those names with correct spelling Otherwise someone can come up with the conclusions that you try to discredit them

J.E. Granbo calls this cast "Double Snake Roll". Reverse would be with rolls formed below the caster (downstream) and clockwise. Spiral Spey (or Double Snake Roll) is done against the clock and the idea is to move the head with the first smaller roll starting below you (downstream) and finishing above you or at least in front of you (upstream).
This is a very powerful cast. Jan Erik Granbo tends to use it as much as he can while he's fishing.


Multiple rolls (like Eoin Fairgrieve demonstrates it) are possible with the use of deeper loading rod and more importantly a longer line (preferably long belly spey line). Not easily but that can be achieved using faster rod and regular Scandi head:

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Your statement about the rotation for both right and left banks are correct but your last statement contradicts the first.


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You're absolutely correct . . . my mistake . . . first move is always toward the bank, not the river. Wrote it too quickly without checking myself.
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Here is one I attempted. I'm going to use this cast more because its powerful and difficult to blow anchors but easy to do. Excuse the hinging. I was using the wrong floating tip for the line configuration.

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