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Old 08-16-2010, 12:48 AM
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Sage TCX switch rod reviews?

Anyone out there with any thought or reviews of the new stick coming out 09/01. I know a few guys have bought them or been lucky enough to cast one. What about grain window? I have seen a thread on the 6119 and 7119TCX casting a 425 and a 450. I would like to know what the grip shape looks like, did they go with a zaxis switch grip or their classic spey grip?
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:21 AM
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Some info from George...

The new TCX Switch Rods feature 5 through 8 weight rods in a super effective 11’9” length. These ultra lightweight powerful tools cast like 13’ Spey rods while feeling like a 10’ single-handed rod. Proprietary TCX taper design coupled with G5 Technology have brought forth a revolutionary Switch rod series.

*New Fall 2010*; TCX 5119-4 11’9” for 5 line. The little guy of the group. Small but powerful. Western streamer swingin’ stick, lake and beach too, small steelhead use for such haunts as the Rogue, Grande Ronde and John Day.

* Line Match: Skagit Short 325, Steelhead Scandi 310, AFS 5/6, Windcutter 5/6, Outbound WF-6 (beach/lake), Rio Switch 5/6
* Sink Tip Use: 15’ 109 Type 3, 6 & 8, T-8/T-11 in 10’ & 12.5’, 6’ & 10’ Spey VersiLeaders All Types (SH Scandi/AFS)
* M.O.W. Match: T-8/Light
* Reel Match: Sage 4580, Sage 4280, Tibor Everglades, Sage 3880



*New Fall 2010*; TCX 6119-4 11’9” for 6 line. Small steelhead, Alaska Rainbows and Dollies, beach weapon dejour/lake tool.

* Line Match: Skagit Flight 350, Steelhead Scandi 350, Skagit Short 375, AFS 5/6, Rio Switch 6/7
* Sink Tip Use: 15’ 109 & 129 Type 3, 6 & 8, T-8/T-11 in 10’ & 12.5’, 6’ & 10’ Spey VersiLeaders All Types (SH Scandi/AFS)
* M.O.W. Match: T-8/Light & T-11/Medium
* Reel Match: Sage 4210, Tibor Everglades, Sage 6080



*New Fall 2010*; TCX 7119-4 11’9” for 7 line. As with most Switch rods, the #7 represents the 30.06 of Switch. From Alaska Rainbows to Oregon Coastal Steelhead to Tierra Del Fuego Sea-Run Brows, the 7 plays big. Not overkill for Trout but big enough for Anadramous Critters, here is your all-purpose player.

* Line Match: Skagit Flight 400, Steelhead Scandi 385, Skagit Short 425, AFS 6/7, Rio Switch 7/8
* Sink Tip Use: 15’ 109 & 129 Type 3, 6 & 8, T-8/T-11/T-14 in 10’ & 12.5’, 6’ & 10’ Spey VersiLeaders All Types (SH Scandi/AFS)
* M.O.W. Match: T-8/Light,T-11/Medium & T-14/Heavy
* Reel Match: Sage 4210, Tibor Signature 7-9, Sage 6080

*New Fall 2010*; TCX 8119-4 11’9” for 8 line. Wow, you gotta try this one! Talk about power in a light package. Focused Anadramous Switch rod, steelhead anywhere, smaller Atlantic salmon venues, Sea-Run Browns, Coastal Steelhead tight-quarter focus. You will be shocked at the distances this rod will produce.

* Line Match: Skagit Flight 450, Steelhead Scandi 435, Skagit Short 475, AFS 7/8, Rio Switch 8/9
* Sink Tip Use: 15’ 129 & 150 Type 3, 6 & 8, T-8/T-11/T-14 in 10’, 11’ & 12.5’, 6’ & 10’ Spey VersiLeaders All Types (SH Scandi/AFS)
* M.O.W. Match: T-8/Light,T-11/Medium & T-14/Heavy
* Reel Match: Sage 6010, Tibor Signature 7-9, Sage 3810, Sage 4210
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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:35 AM
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did i read that correctly that rio have a switch line? And im guessing that this is a line specificaly for switch rods, they dont have it on the rio site.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:56 AM
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did i read that correctly that rio have a switch line? And im guessing that this is a line specificaly for switch rods, they dont have it on the rio site.


Calmness OZ. You read it right about a switch line but this stuff is for 2011. It will be on the Rio site in due time.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:16 AM
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Calmness OZ. You read it right about a switch line but this stuff is for 2011. It will be on the Rio site in due time.
What's about Steelhead Scandi ?

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Old 08-16-2010, 12:36 PM
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Steelhead Scandi/Ology

New Fall 2010

George Cook/Ryan Petzold July 2010

Rivers of the Pacific Northwest pose incredible challenges to Steelhead Enthusiasts who pursue these great gamefish from July through October. Conditions can and will vary with a steady diet of both wind and fly size variance. The need for a focused, specialized spey line has existed for quite some time. Rivers led by the Deschutes of Oregon, along with the Rogue, Cowlitz, Clearwater and Main Stem Snake are prime examples of the need for such as a Northwest focused entry.

The new Rio Steelhead Scandi shooting head is designed for the Spey and Switch rod Steelhead angler’s specific needs, featuring an overall shorter head length coupled with a shorter front taper making it absolutely ideal for casting Steelhead style flies with Spey VersiLeadeers on Northwest Rivers. These heads are based upon designs developed by steelhead guide and outfitter John Hazel. Specific head size options have been carefully designed and fine-tuned for the common rods used by today’s modern Steelhead flyfisher. Line speed coupled with positive turnover is assured through this new taper. Anglers can now step into the Deschutes and proclaim “What wind-No Problem!” Rio’s proprietary XS Technology coupled with Rio’s new Skinny welded loops make these the slickest shooting, easiest use and convertible heads available today.

Sizes Available:
Length Weight
31’ 310 gr.
31’ 350 gr.
31’ 385 gr.
31’ 480 gr.
32’ 435 gr.
33’ 450 gr.
34’ 480 gr.
34’ 510 gr.
34’ 550 gr



* Note that 2 versions of the 480 gr. Head are present, one at 31’ and a second at a slight longer (34’) version. This being a very popular stretches across many different rod lengths from 12’6” to 13’9”

Rio’s Spey VersiLeaders

These come in 6, 10 and 15 foot lengths (with 10’ being default/most versatile). Floating, 1.5 ips, 2.6 ips, 3.9 ips, 5.6 ips, 7.0 ips. The high floating spey leaders are camo olive in color and are perfect for anchoring when casting with Scandi-style shooting heads, along with providing the utmost in presentation. Sinking leaders provide VersiTip ease of change for varying conditions and water types. Each leader features an ultra smooth welded loop in the butt end, making it easy to connect with base head Skinny welded loops. The Spey VersiLeader/Polyleader concept is the finishing touch of choice with Scadi-style heads. Standard 15’ sink-tips that all or most you have heaps of is the wrong call on this style line. This is not a sales gimmick but rather a demand by design.

Spey VersiLeader Selections

Available in 6, 10 or 15 foot length in complete sets from floating through 7.0 ips. Total of 6 leaders in either 10 or 15 foot lengths, 5 leaders in the 6’ kit (no floater), complete with Rio’s high quality wallet. One stop selection for all conditions makes this the complete VersiLeader kit for any AFS or Steelhead Scandi format line.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:36 PM
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Thank you...

Seems to be we will be playing with new toys this fall.
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:23 PM
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Thanks MJC and George,
Has anyone had the chance to play with one of these new rods or lines.
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jake-
Georgie fished the 8119 on both the Deschutes and the Dean. I cast the 5119 a bunch over the weekend. I was casting a 375 Flight w/ 15' tip and it was wicked...although George thought it was way too heavy of course. We are finding with these TCX switch rods that they are NOT line sensitive... They cast like 12'-12'6" two-handers yet feel like a 10' single-hander. But I am biased....

Regarding the new lines, everyone was wowed by the Steelhead Scandi. Threw the 510 on the 7136-4 Z-Axis....and what a significant difference compared to the AFS. You cannot compare the two! Much more positive turnover...more line speed.
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btw-it is more of a switch grip then a spey grip.
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I luv the lengths (11'9") but, for those whom have fished them a question.

Are they true to line size rate? Is the 5 a 5 or really a 6 etc. etc. etc.

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Old 08-16-2010, 07:06 PM
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Thanks Ryan,
I have the 5110 and the 7110 and fish a 325 and a 425 short on them and was wondering which if the Tcx 5 was really a 6 and would cast a 375 short. If they do run one size up I am thinking of getting the 8 for some small stream king work in AK and possibley the 5. Probably the same question Bill had.
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it is hard to say what these rods because two-handed rod weights are so subjective. I would say that they are a line size heavier (both in grains & power) than the z-axis switch rods of the same weight.

I can see the #5 being all that i would ever need for most summer/fall steelhead fishing (aside from the T, Skeena etc.) whereas the #5 z-axis is a little light (wind, fish fighting power, etc).

jake-I think you prefer a lighter line than myself so I think the 6119 with the 375 would be money for your tastes. I will say, as much as I like the shorts, the smaller skagit flights are wickedly good. there are those that still prefer compacts in bigger sizes on bigger rods but totally dig the smaller flights on lighter rods in lighter sizes.
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good to see someone is finally addresing the switch rods, with an actual design specificaly for switch rods, awesome, cant wait!
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