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Old 03-24-2012, 10:52 AM
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Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
Interesting thread.. I figured the permit78 must be doing something right to complain about stripping

My only advice would be; when/if the opportunity is there try a few different heads.. see how they feel.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:13 AM
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I have been in Permit's situation, with a few rods and lines that I questioned or had doubts about, sometimes with thoughts in my head like, " I wonder if X line casts better on this rod than Y line?".
So I periodically take a half dozen rods/reels, a wallet full of heads, and a flask down to the river and give things a workout. Grass casting doesn't quite cut it for dialing rod/line combos in.

Line recs are only that--recommendations--
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:40 AM
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Harely,
???
He wrote he is consulted by a "Spey guru" Where does "sport shop" fit in?
Poppy the red shed was not mentioned.
My point he is working with someone and has already purchased lines. Are you suggesting he should ditch them and buy new from this "Steve Godshall" chop shop?

WHERE IS STEVE GODSHALL SPONSOR ADD HERE EXACTLY? Obviously a little army of marketeer props marching around line threads, where is the sponsor add?


Willi, Willi, Willi,
Vitriolic ad hominem attacks are poor tools and generally do little to further a meaningful discussion. In my opinion they have no place on this forum.


I'm glad you had the wisdom remove your WTF rant about Steve. Still your attack on Mr. Godshall remains, someone you obviously have never met and don't know anything about.

Steve is responsible for the R&D on some of the best custom made rods and lines on the market today. He works with Bob Meiser and Gary Anderson. He knows more about rod and line design than you and I will, even if we live ten lifetimes. That you chose not to avail yourself of his advise or service is your loss not his. He has thousands of very happy and satisfied customers around the world.

Beyond that Steve is one of the truly nice guys in the business, with a good heart and soul; friendly, generous and helpful to a fault. Besides which he works his butt off to keep his customers happy.

I am proud to have someone of Steve's quality and character as a friend. I have no idea what panty knot caused your unprovoked and unnecessary attack on Steve, but I think you owe him an apology.


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Old 03-24-2012, 12:23 PM
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Permit, if you are able to attend, the Salmon River, NY Speynation gathering is being held on Saturday July 14(read about it in the "claves and other gatherings" section of this site). This is a great event and it would give you an opportunity to try many different lines on your rod, as well as get some expert advice. Tight Lines!
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Old 03-24-2012, 05:37 PM
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Good
-by the way Steve works for Bob Meiser who is a sponsor.
Here is the contact number info. you provided for in post #2

"Steve Godshall,
Email- stevegodshall@charter.net
Phone- 1-541-840-2594
Medford-Oregon"


Here is Meiser from his sponsor link site -
541-770-4766

Must have separate incomming lines.....big building

I look through Meiser's web and can't seem to find any mention of Steve Godashell lines,services through Meis. etc. nothing.

I notice when recommended always "contact Steve Godshell" not Meiser.

He is manufacturing/modifying lines, I guess, as that is what he is repeatably recommended for. "Work's for"? - Same tax i.d. # ?

"Rule #2 - Respecting sponsorships, and spam

Since our life blood is sponsorships, we must keep advertisement meaningful in our community. Avoid spamming by openly promoting non-sponsors in a way that directly advertises their businesses unless you have consulted with a moderator or administrator first. If you want to promote non-sponsors in this manner, you will be asked to email the business to suggest sponsorship of our community (CC: sponsorships@speypages.com)."



I have no problem with him or you harley. Sure he is a "nice guy". I just see in particular the same band of brothers recommending his services all the time. This thread another example, even when the dude has lines,did not ask.
It's alway's "contact Steve" - "here is Steve's #,email,etc" not Meiser. Appears service/manufacturing/re-vamping exiting to me type business. Lot's of rod smith/builder's, pro. fly tiers,regional shops would like to advertise similar here I am sure at n.c. I have seen several be asked to remove their links.

I am sorry sir , I did not realize "he works directly for R. Meiser" and therefor is exempt from having to pay for sponsorship,links,recs. etc. as others do. . How would I ever have known? I did not even, know working for a sponsor here, entitles such, for separate business services completly. Learn something every day........ I guess than a guide whom works in a fly shop part time, if the shop is a sponsor here, can expect/do similar with his private guiding business, because they work for the shop.....

Thanks for clearing that up. Enjoy the outdoors.......


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Old 03-24-2012, 05:56 PM
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Here is the contact number info. you provided for in post #2

"Steve Godshall,
Email- stevegodshall@charter.net
Phone- 1-541-840-2594
Medford-Oregon"


Here is Meiser from his sponsor link site -
541-770-4766

Must have separate incomming lines.....big building

I look through Meiser's web and can't seem to find any mention of Steve Godashell lines,services through Meis. etc. nothing.

I notice when recommended always "contact Steve Godshell" not Meiser.

He is manufacturing/modifying lines, I guess, as that is what he is repeatably recommended for. "Work's for"? - Same tax i.d. # ?

"Rule #2 - Respecting sponsorships, and spam

Since our life blood is sponsorships, we must keep advertisement meaningful in our community. Avoid spamming by openly promoting non-sponsors in a way that directly advertises their businesses unless you have consulted with a moderator or administrator first. If you want to promote non-sponsors in this manner, you will be asked to email the business to suggest sponsorship of our community (CC: sponsorships@speypages.com)."



I have no problem with him or you harley. Sure he is a "nice guy". I just see in particular the same band of brothers recommending his services all the time. This thread another example, even when the dude has lines,did not ask.
It's alway's "contact Steve" - "here is Steve's #,email,etc" not Meiser. Appears service/manufacturing/re-vamping exiting to me type business. Lot's of rod smith/builder's, pro. fly tiers,regional shops would like to advertise similar here I am sure at n.c. I have seen several be asked to remove their links.

I am sorry sir , I did not realize "he works for R. Meiser". How would I ever have known?

Thanks for clearing that up. Enjoy the outdoors.......


Meiser sponsor link -
http://www.meiserflyrods.com/
Please wind your neck in......

....that is, AFTER you have looked at the relevant page which you clearly MISSED!!

http://www.meiserflyrods.com/speyshop.php

& scroll down to where it says...

"R.B. Meiser SGS™ Two Handed Lines"

and you will notice that Steve Godshall is indeed mentioned by name more than once, and indeed he should be, as he is the designer of the SGS (Steve Godshall Specials) lines, the huge range of which are detailed on this same Meiser webpage.

NOW you do need to apologise!


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Old 03-24-2012, 06:52 PM
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Mike,

You mean this?

"We have now designed our own two handed line systems suitable for all two handed rods
These are lines designed by Steve Godshall, and why we call them the Steve Godshall Specials: The SGS lines "


Yea, i seen that.

Is that what is meant by - contact Steve and have him build a line for your specific rod - I have had Steve build several custom lines for my rod- which is posted repeatably ?
Seem's they would just link to Meiser's SGS Series for ease.

Thats what I meant by "modifying,services,manufacturing" Mike, maybe you missed it?

Retail fly shop sponsors here carry Scientific Anglers brand "designed" lines but, I have seen direct links to S.A., "contact S.A. similar " removed,discouraged as Airflo and Rio pay for sponsorship. Ditto for other gear,services,custom rods,etc.etc.etc. unless linked to/through the sponsor and part of, for that directly.

But, I have already been informed "he works for Meiser". So, I guess that means 100%.

Your reply/my quote - my "apology" Mike, maybe you "missed" it. Look again.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:36 PM
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I love it

I laughed out loud when I read Speyducer's post begining with "please wind your neck in.." Thats awesome... Can I use that? Can't wait to yell "hey buddy...wind your neck in".. in traffic sometime

Guess there's a nerve touched somewhere in this disscussion.. been there aswell, but we're all big boys. Seems like sometimes there's a push for products to answers problems and not real answers. think thats what set this off

Ps I'm not a scand-ite but seems to me recomending a 3' to 4' leader of a poly is a bit short. So Permit78 if I were you I'd tie on a leader that seems stuipdly long...then make it longer. as in most fly fishing, a long er leader is usually a plus not a negative

hey willi.. remember... People, there the worst!! I blame permit78, see waht you started
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:06 AM
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When working with floating set-ups I prefer not to us a polyleader. I use a hand tied tapered leader about 13' long ending in either a 10 or 8 lbs tippet. I start with a but sectiin of 40lbs mono to give a good transition from line to leader. I find this gives the softist presentation for atlantics. I use maxima chameleon here in our tee colored waters but up on the gaspe would switch to ultra green or clear.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:25 PM
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I would think that with a Scandinavian line that wieghed 425 grains would still be light if you want a traditional Scandi feel, use a lot of body and like accelerating the rod fairly aggressively.

Scandi 475 will be right on the money, especially if you are fairly new to spey rods and want a line that will match well.

Steve Godshall is good, we make lines specifically matched to the grain and length, John Hazels Steelhead Scandi made by Rio is good.

For your leader: Yes, a hand tied mono leader will be fine for a leader on a Scandi line. I like Airflo 10' and 14' Floating and Intermediate Poly leaders on that rod. The difference between 10'/14'...buy one of each and fish the one that you like on the rod. Poly leaders are great because the larger diameter grabs water nicely giving a solid anchor to cast from. 36"-48" of tippet is a general rule of thumb and adjust from there depending on feel.

The Leaders are long because with the Scandi system the entire line is in the "D" loop minus 6" to a 1' on the water prior to delivery. This is due to line taper, line length and casting style. So, your leader is your loading mechanism whereas a traditional spey will use a bunch of the front taper as the anchor and loading mechanism. General rule of thumb is 1.5 x rod length and make fine tune adjustments from there. You can easily accomplish a 1.5 x rod length leader with either 10', 14' Poly Leaders or hand tied leaders.

Don't worry if you buy a line from another company and it says 470 or 480. If it is right in that 475 grain range + or- a tad and from 31'5"-33" it will be awesome on your rod.

I think Rio 510-550 is for lining our 13'2" 7 weight with a Skagit Head. At least it should be as I did the rec's for Rio?

Hopefully that helps out and have fun!

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Bruce, I've never read a post from you, in response to a question, that wasn't money.

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Old 03-27-2012, 12:33 AM
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Actually, the line suggestion for the T&T 1309 is on the heavy side. I use the same rod with a 510 gr. scandi line. I personally prefer to use lines that are on the lighter side. If you can, try some different line weights and see what you like.
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:27 AM
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I am planning on attending the spey get together in Pulaski. Been planning to make it 4 a couple of years. I definitely make it this year. The "spey guru" reference is for a local fly shop of some note. Got some spey lessons from him and learned the most from him.I can't find many spey shops locally. Not like the west coast where it seems like a craze. Thanx 4 the advice. Didn't mean to cause so much controversy. I guess that's the point of the chat line. I really got to get out there casting those different lines with the longer rods not just my switch.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:50 PM
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I am planning on attending the spey get together in Pulaski. Been planning to make it 4 a couple of years. I definitely make it this year. The "spey guru" reference is for a local fly shop of some note. Got some spey lessons from him and learned the most from him.I can't find many spey shops locally. Not like the west coast where it seems like a craze. Thanx 4 the advice. Didn't mean to cause so much controversy. I guess that's the point of the chat line. I really got to get out there casting those different lines with the longer rods not just my switch.


78, there is no reason for you to apologize. You were looking for help and your thread got hijacked by someone who injected his own agenda. Not unusual, but unfortunately the nature of the beast. I'm sorry I contributed to the hijack. In the end you got some very good information.

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Old 03-29-2012, 04:26 PM
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I imagine it would (like a few others have said) depend on your casting stroke, and prefered rod load, on my 8wt echo dh i use a 475gr vision scandi head and its good, i was recommended to go with a 525+ scandi head, but if you like to cast scandi lines off the tip of your rod with really tight casting stroke then a lighter line (i think) is better for it, if you like a heavier and deeper bend then clearly you go up in grains, suppose one could ask what the point of scandi heads are if you basically end up on par with a skagit head in grains on any given rod? sure it would help beginners learning to feel whats going on and allow things to slow down a bit so ones timing can be a bit off.
But if you are a dap hand at it then why fish such the heavier end of scandi lines?
Personal choice in the end i guess.
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