Partridge 'Nordic Single'

[UKWill]

My first posting - but I'd like to thank all of you who do post on this site for the excellent advise you provide on all aspects of spey fishing.

I am hotly pursuing the Partridge Nordic Single hooks touted as one of the best options for tube flies.

Of course Hunters has run out of them and they are on back order. Its unclear to me from the Partridge site which Carp model these are - perhaps discontinued, perhaps replaced by a new but appropriate model.

Does anyone know of any other sources? Or do you have the actual serial/name of the carp hooks from the Partridge packaging? Or do I have to bug my family back in England to go shopping in Carp specialist shops?!! Believe me, I remember what that means, these places have blacked out windows and unlisted telephone numbers!

Desperately hoping to have these hooks soon for my first Skagit trip.....

Will

[Dana]

Hello Will--welcome aboard and thanks for the kudos!

I LOVE these hooks for tubes--they are awesome. The model number I have on the packaging is MM3ST, and I get mine from Hunters. If they are out of stock it is probably my fault as between me, kush, doublespey and a few others on this site we ordered a whole whack of 'em last fall. :eek:

I believe these were originally called the Boilie (sp?) Carp Hook. Back before I found them at Hunters I contacted a few shops in the UK and they hadn't heard of the Nordic Single Tube Fly Hook and when I told them what I believed to be the original name were horrified (really) that I would ask them for a carp hook ("We only sell game fishing tackle") so unfortunately I didn't get anywhere.

Let us know if and where you can source them in the UK so we can order them up when Hunters is out!

[Willie Gunn]

Send Andy Wren a personal message email, he runs a taclke shop in London he will sort you out remember the time difference.

If stuck drop me a line and I will see what I can do, I live in Scotland.

Malcolm

I hope this does not break your advertising rules. M

[pmflyfisher]

What are the advertising rules for the forumn ? Don't see them in the FAQs.

Do we have Terms of Usage for the forumn, probably a good time to reread them and remind everyone.

I guess when we signed up, we went through a User Agreement Click Through" screen, but I have forgotten what they were.

Please point me in the right direction, I want to be legal,

I have nothing to advertise anyway, but might accidentally, through a link to another site

[UKWill]

Dana and Malcolm,

Thanks for the pointers - the fact that Dana and Mr Kushner were responsible for a) doing the ground truthing on these hooks, b) providing the advice, but then c) Buying them all - was not lost on me!

As for the frosty reply from a game shop in the UK, you remind me of a famous "outraged british" story about a champion jockey called Lester Piggott. He was taken out by the aristocracy on a very smart pheasant hunt, where tradition rules every step. Late in the day, having not had much luck, he was found by Lord X following a pheasant with his gun as it ran back and forth along a fence. "Lester, what the hell do you think you are doing?" asked the outraged estate owner, to which Lester replied "I'm waiting for the bugger to stand still".

I'll sign you up on some specialist Carp sites. (unless you send me a couple of those hooks)...

And will report back on obtaining the hooks direct from the UK.

Will

[GBSkunk]

In what ways is this hook different than the Tiemco 105?

[Andy Wren]

I think Fred Evans should have some carp hooks which Willy Gunn sent him.

Fred are these the ones you guys want?
Andy W

[pmflyfisher]

I hve the hook package right here which Willie Gunn sent for his AS flies here it is.

Partridge of Redditch

Jack Hilton Carp

Black Nickle

Size 1 - Qty 10

REFZ1BN

Very nice stout hooks I must say.

Let me know where I can get them, as I am tying up some tubes,

[fredaevans]

The Partridge of Reddich "Jack Hilton Carp" hooks.

He sent over a couple of packages of # 6 and #8's and a package of size 4's. The hooks come in black and what they call a black nickle which is a very dull crome hook (not the normal crome colour). All ring eyed. Thing I found a bit unusual, at least as far as the photo's I've seen of "carp hooks," I expected a point that turned upward. These are 'straight point' but a fine needle, and sharp as hell right out of the package.

Look very similar to the Tem's 105's but longer shank by far. Suspect just the extra length, and 'hypo sized/sharp" point will be just enough to get the buggers a bit farther beyond the tail end of the fly and increase hook-ups. Will test drive some this evening. With all that's been going on the past 72 hrs, think I need some 'alone time.'
Fe

[kush]

GBSkunk,

The Nordic Singles are;

- not off-set
- more of "circle-hook" aspect (they hook and hold very well on
downstream take)
- they come in a full range of sizes
- they are black instead of bronze

[nevada caster]

I went to the Partridge Web page, (hooks@partridge-of-redditch.com) and sent a message asking for help in getting this hook. In a day or so, I got a reply from Tracey Marshall in Partridge's UK office stating that the hook has been discontinue, but that they had a supply in England. I was able to purchase them directly from Partridge and a much reduced price compared to Hunters

This hook is very similar to the Tiemco 105 but has much heavier wire. Because of this it is almost identical in size to the Daiichi X510. The Tiemco 105 fits better in 1/8 " tubes becasue of the smaller wire. The Partridge and Daiichi almost have to be set in a peice of poly tubing

[Dana]

if anyone has a scan of these hooks put one up so we can have a look and compare with the Nordics.

[fredaevans]

I'll ask Joan to do so tonight and post on the board.
Fred

[The Flymaster]

Hey guys,
I am not to familiar with the Nordic hooks you all are referring to, but Gamakatsu makes a Carp hook that you might be interested in, they are called the G-Carp Specialist hook, very short, heavy wire and straight eye. This might be easier to get than the nordic ones.
If you want I can post a picture of the 2 different kinds I have.
I think you'll like them.

The Flymaster.

[Dana]

do you know what size range they come in?

[The Flymaster]

Here is that Gamakatsu Hook with the package(frt and back).
I hope you can tell by the picture what the hook looks like.
This is a size 1, I know they come smaller, but am not sure if they come bigger, I'm pretty sure they would as a 25LBS Carp has a pretty big mouth. :eek:

The Flymaster.

[Dana]

these look a lot like the Nordic single, Flymaster. Where'd you get 'em?

[UKWill]

I just got off the phone with Partridges in the UK - 44 1527 597 222, Fax is 44 1527 597 111.

They are still making the Nordic Single Hook or MM3ST, and will mail order them. The price is a significant saving on Hunters listed price. Hunters has them in a range of sizes smaller than four, and has the fours on back order currently.

I once came across a really good explanation of how the different elements of hook design play out in hooking and landing fish on the web, which I'll try to find again. In the meantime, does anyone else know of a good technical document on this i.e. the impact of different offsets, shank length etc? I'd like to find out a little more, though only enough to confirm some theories, as I'm pretty convinced by your testing of this hook! Thanks for all the help.

Will

[Dana]

thanks for the info, Will--I was worried that I'd go back to losing all those downstream-taking fish, although that Gamy hook looks like it might do the trick. I'll be picking up a pack or two of those "just in case."

[Dana]

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[MJC]

Has anyone tried the Daiichi "Meat Hook" #3797 (Black Nickel) ,sneck bend, 3X-short shank, 2X heavy wire, or the Daiichi "Black Ace Salt Water Hook" #3111 O'Shaughnessy bend, 2X-short shank?

[wrke]

There's also the Mustad C67S, bronzed, 2X heavy, 3X short, chemically sharpened "egg" hook.
bill

[The Flymaster]

Dana,
I was hoping you wouldn't ask me that 'cause I got them from Holland . I used to live there and still have family there, so when they come over I usually get them to bring me Carp stuff(yes I fish for them on purpose :razz: )and they were some of the hooks.
I'll make some calls tommorrow to see if they are available locally and let you know.

The Flymaster.

[fredaevans]

you plug "carp hooks" into Google.

This one caugth my eye due to the large selection of size and wire choices.

http://www.ashima.demon.co.uk/carp.htm


Carp fishing has as much 'exotic gear' as spey fishing; this site had me wondering how half of the stuff was actually used!


http://www.foxint.com/catalogue-sections.php?catalogue=fox

[UKWill]

Fred,

While waiting to hear from Partridge I emailed a few of the Carp related shops in the UK. Denny Henwood at specialist tackle was pretty helpfull - www.specialist-tackle.co.uk or danny@specialist-tackle.co.uk.

Its a pretty different world from spey fishing! Bite indicators take the form of electronic rod rests that you can set to wake you up....

Will

[Dana]

with the number of casts it routinely takes me to hook a fish I'm thinkin' something like that carp alarm thing might not be a bad idea for my spey rod...:chuckle:

remember you heard it here first...;)

[fredaevans]

Gotta admit, after the 100th something cast the 'powers of concentration' due tend to wander more than a bit. You're in charge of research!!!:eek: (A legit tax writeoff in Canada??)

Lets see: a couple of days to sort out your order, a week to get it to BC, a couple of weeks of field testing ...... so we'll expect the first of your "reports" about May 15th, 2002.:devil:

[t_richerzhagen]

UKWill,
I sent an email to Partridge to see if I could get some of the Nordic hooks. The response from Ole was to send me to Whitetail Fly Tying in Toledo, with no web page, or an email link to the US Destributor. I was hoping to get the same service you did. Any hints?

[fredaevans]

shop (VERY glad to see he now has a banner on the Board) and his folks put me onto the TMC 600SP's for BIG!!! tube flys. The 1/0's I got you could use to swing half a cow in a slaughter house.

Just wish I could get one of the 10,000 plus Spring Kings to chomp on the darn thing. Frustrating outings the last three trips.
:(

[t_richerzhagen]

Fred,
I thought that is the way is was supposed to be with salmon, lots of fish and little chomp. Seriously, we must be doing something a little wrong as the folks in Alaska and the Great lakes do will with salmon. Let us know when you figure out the puzzle for our area.

[fredaevans]

consider the use of "dupont spinner" on the end of 20# test to cast the 'sticks.' Well, Joan is off for a month and his Ann will be gone next week (if memory serves), ... so .... explosives????

Actually, the best time to fish/cast for the buggers is just before dark, appears they calm down and are more reseptive. And all the other light weights have gone home so water is usually left quite for a long period.

Seeing too much; possibly. Will re-test this thought in a few days.
fe